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#21 Guest_altharic_*

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Posted 13 November 2008 - 11:04 PM

In response to Cardie1 earlier.....

I'm affraid you need to read up on FME history. You will then learn the full facts about Empire. How they helped and actively contributed to the scene once. Passing on roms and artwork of games for us to bring out on the emulators and how a very small minority broke that trust and produced layouts outside of Empires wishes. Like with Chiris Wrenn (Wizard), it was probably 1 single person who made the rest of us lose out with a selfish act. Anyways, this betrayal lead to Empire withdrawing their kind support. And how some of us may still hold some respect for Empire.

The story about Empire, up to the point they were betrayed, was how we hoped all manufacturers would embrace the scene. We are our worst enemies at times. Biting the hand the feeds us. Yes, we could give the finger to Empire, but that would just show what contempt the scene has for someone, some company that once saw fit to support us.

Wether you like Empire games or not, there once was a close relationship between Empire and the scene. The relationship is now gone. Which is a shame. It would be nice to once again be 'given' resources, with the approval of the supplier, creator and ultimately copywrite holder of such resources.


We did not bite the hand that fed us, it was a single member attention seeking you know that and I know that.

PS your grammar is shite

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Posted 13 November 2008 - 11:16 PM

We did not bite the hand that fed us, it was a single member attention seeking you know that and I know that.

PS your grammar is shite


No1. True. As i wrote, "It was probably 1 single member", I left myself a bit of leeway by putting probably. But yes, as you say. One person spoilt all that. The needs of the one apparently outweighed the needs of the many. And we all suffered as a result.

No2. Lies i tell thee!!!! Shot down for posting 'biting the hand the feeds us'. I messed up. It was a spelling mistake.

Isn't there supposed to be a double colon after PS?
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Posted 13 November 2008 - 11:27 PM

No1. True. As i wrote, "It was probably 1 single member", I left myself a bit of leeway by putting probably. But yes, as you say. One person spoilt all that. The needs of the one apparently outweighed the needs of the many. And we all suffered as a result.

No2. Lies i tell thee!!!! Shot down for posting 'biting the hand the feeds us'. I messed up. It was a spelling mistake.

Isn't there supposed to be a double colon after PS?


Yet that one person that did so bad to us all is still protected WHY?

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Posted 13 November 2008 - 11:53 PM

So who was this idiotic traitor?:mad:

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Posted 15 November 2008 - 10:57 AM

why cant the traitor be revealed. they obviously aint a member after what they did so if they are revealed they wont be abused because there isnt anyone to abuse.

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Posted 15 November 2008 - 11:41 AM

In response to Cardie1 earlier.....

I'm affraid you need to read up on FME history. You will then learn the full facts about Empire. How they helped and actively contributed to the scene once. Passing on roms and artwork of games for us to bring out on the emulators and how a very small minority broke that trust and produced layouts outside of Empires wishes. Like with Chiris Wrenn (Wizard), it was probably 1 single person who made the rest of us lose out with a selfish act. Anyways, this betrayal lead to Empire withdrawing their kind support. And how some of us may still hold some respect for Empire.

The story about Empire, up to the point they were betrayed, was how we hoped all manufacturers would embrace the scene. We are our worst enemies at times. Biting the hand the feeds us. Yes, we could give the finger to Empire, but that would just show what contempt the scene has for someone, some company that once saw fit to support us.

Wether you like Empire games or not, there once was a close relationship between Empire and the scene. The relationship is now gone. Which is a shame. It would be nice to once again be 'given' resources, with the approval of the supplier, creator and ultimately copywrite holder of such resources.


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Posted 15 November 2008 - 12:08 PM

fruity goodness wtf are you on about?

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Posted 15 November 2008 - 01:13 PM

why cant the traitor be revealed. they obviously aint a member after what they did so if they are revealed they wont be abused because there isnt anyone to abuse.


The "traitor" is a well-known member of the community. He even posts here occasionally.

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Posted 15 November 2008 - 01:31 PM

The "traitor" is a well-known member of the community. He even posts here occasionally.


Aye. And no doubt will return in the future, to release a handful of layouts that no one else has got, a few choice words, and welcomed back into the scene as though nothing ever happened.
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Posted 16 November 2008 - 10:33 AM

so basically people are being hypocrites. moaning about him/her then being best pals when they release a layout.

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Posted 16 November 2008 - 10:38 AM

so basically people are being hypocrites. moaning about him/her then being best pals when they release a layout.


Not at all, you need to read-up on the history......

Nothing has ever been said that wasn't in public.....

And a release won't change it pmfsl!

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Posted 16 November 2008 - 10:38 AM

/me must not involved in this thread......... arghghghghgh

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Posted 16 November 2008 - 10:52 AM

Not at all, you need to read-up on the history......

Nothing has ever been said that wasn't in public.....

And a release won't change it pmfsl!


im not saying that anything was kept a secret im just saying that according to some earlier posts the person who "betrayed" fruit emu is still here and no-one says anything about what happened to them. but i was only using the information posted in the thread earlier not my personal knowledge.

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Posted 16 November 2008 - 11:05 AM

I too remember when Empire supplied the roms on the Empire website for us to download and create layouts.

As far as I can remember, Apache Gold was the first £25 machine to be emulated because Empire allowed to do so.

Its a shame it happened, but in hindsight this kind of thing was bound to happen and is now just part of FME history.

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Posted 16 November 2008 - 11:11 AM

I too remember when Empire supplied the roms on the Empire website for us to download and create layouts.

As far as I can remember, Apache Gold was the first £25 machine to be emulated because Empire allowed to do so.

Its a shame it happened, but in hindsight this kind of thing was bound to happen and is now just part of FME history.


so did empire allow some of their games to be emulated? but someone emulated that they shouldnt of and thats what caused the trouble?

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Posted 16 November 2008 - 11:22 AM

so did empire allow some of their games to be emulated? but someone emulated that they shouldnt of and thats what caused the trouble?


In a nutshell yes.

#37 Zoltar

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Posted 16 November 2008 - 12:18 PM

so basically people are being hypocrites. moaning about him/her then being best pals when they release a layout.


It's not about people being hypocritical. After all, 95% of the scene are here for the layouts and games. Not really bothered about history and politics. And you have to remember, not everyone is moaning about whats gone on. Some will believe this to be a neseccary risk in order to maybe get something that was out of reach. Or unavailable.

Fruit Forums for years, was responsible for certain aspects of how the scene panned out. Some may say that in some respects, was responsible for moving the scene forward. Claiming to serve the many in the process so gained popularity for helping to get things out there into the world. The JPeMu situation was one instant where it went against the emulator authors wishes but benefitted the greater public at large. At the time, the scene was choking to death but this action, although shitty to the emulator creator, breathed new life into the scene. So can a really bad thing turn out to be a good thing?

Theres always 2 sides to any given situation. Here on the scene, we have the 'emulator creators' and 'the emulator users'. But there are forces out there that put personal notoriety before either of those 2 sides. Sometimes the actions of these 'forces' can benefit neither side. Away from the forums and the public world of fme, there's been other struggles that have effects on what we have here. Rumours appear, then arguments based on rumours appear. Everyone has an opinion and throws their tuppence worth into the arguement and before we know it, we've pissed off the ones that can move the scene forward, from nothing more than a rumour.

A true reflection on the state of the scene can be seen from where the major players post and by how often they post. Wizard created MFME and he only really posts at the Mecca from time to time. Why is this? Was he let down by something or somebody? Where is Re-Animator? The best independent talent out there with a genuine respect for the users of his creation. He's gone too.

The main problem with this scene over the years, was people trying to be big characters. We could all just sit and wait and hope for emulators and layouts to appear. But others wanted to 'force' the hand of the emulator creators. All along, trying to make a name for themselves but hiding behind the statement that 'they did it for the scene'.

Reading through the scene's history, you'll see many of us have not had our finest hour so to speak. We have messed up. Backed the wrong horse, maybe even influenced things including the scenes possible demise. But if you read between the lines, and read carefully, the most destructive things on this scene has been brought about by the same people time and time again. For nothing more than their own needs. Yet are allowed to dissappear, then return with some level of protection and start the wheels of destruction turning once again.

We, the sceners didn't destroy this scene. We are simply the humble customer taking whats on offer. Wether those products were given legitimately or not. If it's there, we'll take it. Irrespective of the politics involved. But just a small few created this stalemate we currently have. And we as a scene lose out because of this.

I'm here for the layouts. To make layouts. To provide layouts for the scene to play on ultimately. But my ability to do this is restricted once again because we no longer have emulator updates. And all this is down to one or two people.

You only have to look back a couple of years and there was Wizard, actively taking on board, suggestions from the public for his next emulator release. And putting them into MFME. Did the guy once love FME? This scene that ultimately started from his programming talent? Why did he continue to release emulators? Why ask for our suggestions? Has he really thrown in the towel? Will there be another unexpected twist in the scenes history that will take us all by surprise? Will Wizard one day decide to show those intent on trying to dictate things, that he cares nothing of their wishes and in the ultimate judge of character, give those people the finger and decide that 99% of us here, have done nothing wrong and release once more? Taking back the moral high ground.

Who knows......
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Posted 16 November 2008 - 12:39 PM

Problem we have Zoltar is that the scene lives and dies with updates the scene has had a fair few sucker punches in the past few years, EPEE anyone? Its now got to the stage where apart from the latest noob asking for DOND not a great deal new is happening in FME as a whole, MFME is not being updated as far as publically known, AGEMAME has not released anything ground breaking recently in fact if you look at any of the emulation sites not much is happening there either its not exactly 100% a FME problem.

A great many of us are here for older machines, MPU5 and Scorp 4 can you really get retro about something so new, can you truly use the term 'classic mpu5' of course not 99% of the machines were complete shite. A great many of the kids on here would not know a playable machine if it raped them with a rusty bed post remember the classic requests IS CRAZY FRUITS DONE YET PROPER SIK MATE? etc etc

So here we are stagnant scene (again) no sign of an update frequent requests for DOND (and its many many many clones) it all seems very much as a been there and done that era for the scene once more just swap DOND for Crazy Fruits and repeat to fade.

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Posted 16 November 2008 - 12:40 PM

well going by what you said zoltar the fme scene needs people like wizard. i hope he reappears(not because i want better emulators, although that would be good) but to show those that have cost the fme scene that they wont ruin things for the huge majority that have done no harm.

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Posted 16 November 2008 - 12:49 PM

well going by what you said zoltar the fme scene needs people like wizard. i hope he reappears(not because i want better emulators, although that would be good) but to show those that have cost the fme scene that they wont ruin things for the huge majority that have done no harm.


We have tried our best to ask him back even to the point of offering money for updates sadly he never give us a straight answer that was anymore than a maybe one day. Its rare I play the emulators anyway but I wanted to pay for what I had already played and enjoyed I mean I used the emulators much like a smoker uses a nicotine patch they helped me to kick the habbit so to speak so I never so much as look at a machine now. MFME has saved me a fortune and tbh I have a lot to thank Wizard for like any addiction whatever works for you to break the chain cannot be a bad thing not played a machine in about 3 years now a night out no longer costs £50 for the bandit and £50 for beer in fact apart from the odd footy game I don't drink as much either.

I can honesty say I do not miss gambling I find it boring now.




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