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[dachshund]

100,000 miles a year with a clean licence and the DAF in 1 piece without the need for cannabis, get in

[policematrix]

http://www.liverpool...00252-32409405/ basically if the drug was leagal this guy would have had his night of fun and carried on with his life , but becasue he knew it would affect his future carrer if he got caught  he died , so obviously the drug killed him but you are not ment to swallow it , he did this to avoid the law , so in this case the legality of a drug actually resulted in a death of an otherwise pillar of the comunity 

[Daryl]

As I've stated before, each to their own views about cannabis and its affects.

Please keep this thread related to its relevance/irrelevance whichever the case may be but please stop using other illegal substances as a debate and also as asked for in a previous post from me, using external links.

Anymore external links PM will be edited and removed mate... remember this is just a thread asking for opinions and it is not a launch pad for the legalisation of cannabis and other illegal substances - lets keep it the way the thread was intended or I am afraid the dreaded 'padlock' will be attached as the final say on the debate

[Bencrest]

http://www.liverpool...00252-32409405/ basically if the drug was leagal this guy would have had his night of fun and carried on with his life , but becasue he knew it would affect his future carrer if he got caught  he died , so obviously the drug killed him but you are not ment to swallow it , he did this to avoid the law , so in this case the legality of a drug actually resulted in a death of an otherwise pillar of the comunity 

 

How do you know he did it because 'it would affect his future career'? How do you know he was 'an otherwise pillar of the community'? Do you honestly believe that the reason he died was 'legality of a drug', not ingestion of cocaine?

 

Note I'm just picking holes in your logic, I'm still not getting involved in the debate

Edited by Bencrest, 22 April 2013 - 09:56 AM.

[policematrix]

As I've stated before, each to their own views about cannabis and its effects.

Please keep this thread related to its relevance/irrelevance whichever the case may be but please stop using other illegal substances as a debate and also as asked for in a previous post from me, using external links.

Anymore external links PM will be edited and removed mate... remember this is just a thread asking for opinions and it is not a launch pad for the legalisation of cannabis and other illegal substances - lets keep it the way the thread was intended or I am afraid the dreaded 'padlock' will be attached as the final say on the debate

ok sorry about that 

to sum up then ,

I think we all harm ourselves in one way or another and thats fine so long as it does not harm others and I think most people agree with this .

When anything is abused it will harm you even water {dilutional hyponatremia} .

 

But when faced with drugs becoming legal people start saying how bad drugs are and how being legal would only encourage use. But people who want drugs have access to them anyway 

 

The only other option is keep it how it is where anyone has access to any drug they want and its left to drug dealers to decide what they mix in it or how its grown etc etc and when people do get caught we put them in a jail which is full of the drugs they went to jail for , seems silly to me and a big waste of money and potential taxes

And though it pains me to say this is my final word on the subject ="((

[policematrix]

Just thought I would share this it would seem cannabis or at least its active ingredient cannabinoids fight cancer  its 52 mins but really interesting and best of all these guys have nothing to gain they are not kids trying to get high (even though I have no problem with people smoking for pleasure if they so choose)

After watching this film and recently watching a close relative melt away in a hospital from chemo I now realise chemo kills you faster than cancer in most cases and only has a success rate of 7% of which a lot go on to develop secondary cancers actually caused by the chemo.

 

Cannabis, on the other hand is unique, It actually target cancer cells and pushes the self-destruct button while not even touching healthy cells, it also stops tumours growing new blood supplies you can read all about it http://www.cureyouro...-oil-works.html this information up untill a few days/weeks ago was on a .GOV website but it seems to have had its content changed to say cannabis is only good for the effects of chemo ?_? 

 

PS if you did not bother watching the video and are asking if it cures cancer then why is it not legal and being used as such?

Well they cant sell you cannabis and make a profit they have to (and are in the process of) make lab cannabinoids and then they can charge you but we all know the natural plant is the best bet as people have died from fake cannabinoids in the past, this actually disgusts me that they care only for profit the cure exists but they do not release it.

And it is being used many people risking jail to help loved ones very very sad times.

 

PS sugar actually causes cancer and fules its growth so another thing to do is stop eating sugars to starve the cancer ( the opposite of the NHSs advice to eat pleanty of sugar and cheese burgers O_O) http://www.canceract...ink.aspx?n=3087

stay safe and have fun hope this helps even just 1 person against this modern plague.

[policematrix]

sorry for 2 posts I could not edit last post

 

Just to add while they know this works and are trying to find something they can make cash from people are dying in their hundreds everyday (they can not patent cannabis), and all these donations to research ? what are they spending it on? why are they ignoring this? Do they actually want a cure?????? maybe better to keep you living on there drugs for years and make billions??,  who knows but one thing I know is when the time comes (1/2 get cancer in UK) which it will I will flat out refuse chemo (its based on chemical warfare chemicals and destroys cells irrespective of cancer or not, and in some cases makes the cancer harder to treat and also leads to secondary cancers, and if you ever watched anyone deteriorate then die suffering all the way you most likely like me wished they didnt have the chemo) and take my chances with nature. 

[policematrix]

 for information about chemo and alternatives not just cannabis http://www.cureyouro...hemo-kills.html its a little bit conspiracy theory but there are a lot of facts and good information that you just dont get told

 

 

again sorry for triple post could not edit 

[Killer73]

Well there maybe studies showing the benefits of the drug but i have seen many friends get messed up using it....some went on to stronger drugs some just now have mental issues and other bodily problems.... 

[nails]

am I right in saying that it doesn't matter how good it is - its illegal?

 

that said, ive been told that there is an NHS prescription for losing weight, which is basically based on the drug speed to surpress hunger?

[spa]

I grew a plant two years ago. Don't smoke it but it was the most fascinating plant I have ever grown. f*****g stunk though so would never do it again.

[stardust]

I might not have the 'powers that be' anymore - and frankly I don't want them either...

 

...but I've noticed you've added more external links to 'prove a point' again!

 

I might not be so vocal, but I'm still observant and still want to see the site maintained - external links on such things as this can only inevitably lead to trouble as far as I'm concerned and learned through FME history on Fruit Emu  

[aaamusements]

Just because cannabis might contain elements which are medically therapeutic, it's not reason enough to support the leap from medical trials to the disingenuous argument that by extension people should be able to grow it in their back gardens and burn it within my airspace.

Just for the record, I don't believe in trying to win a "war on drugs" as it simply perpetuates a massive criminal industry that only exists due to the illegality of the substances involved.
However I still don't think that anyone consuming massive quantities of industrial strength skunk is doing their health any favours - either physical or mental.

Regarding chemotherapy - of course it is toxic to some extent, it's designed to kill cancerous cells. It's a poison, but one that's relatively well targeted, and it has saved many lives.
I hope in the future there is a better alternative - cannabinoid based or otherwise.
In the meantime current cancer treatment is as good as it gets, and trying to convince people otherwise is not going to be in their best interests.

Steve Jobs decided not to go with conventional treatment, and it turned out badly for him.

[Magz]

There's a difference between using the active ingredient of a recreational drug for medical purposes and using it to get a high. Pethidine vs Heroin for example.

There are a lot of new techniques for cancer treatment including ones which reduce or remove the cancer's ability to cancel out the autoimmune system which look to be promising.

 

Cannabis is illegal and even if it were not you'd not be allowed to go about smoking it as it would affect family members and other people. At most it might be made legal to consume the active ingredient directly. Smoking and other airborne methods of taking nicotine (vaping is about to be restricted in Wales with England / Scotland looking to follow) are no longer socially acceptable and will eventually be phased out.

 

I have no particular issue if people want to take substances as long as:

 

1) It's sanctioned as at least moderately safe by the state

2) That it is taken in a way that only affects the person who takes it

 

Seems to be the only fair way to go about things to me...

[policematrix]

sorry Daryl, nice to see you active on here ;D.

 

 

am I right in saying that it doesn't matter how good it is - its illegal?

 

that said, ive been told that there is an NHS prescription for losing weight, which is basically based on the drug speed to surpress hunger?

Yes they give children cocaine/amphetamine for ADHD aka being naughty its called Ritalin and has similar problems to cocaine in that it raises blood pressure and hardens arteries, I would post a link but you can take my word for it.

The legality of something does not mean its wrong or right take being gay a few years ago, you would go to jail for it, prostitution another stupid law, which can easily be avoided by filming the sex and calling it porn O_O

So to sum up it is legal to have sex with a girl if you film it and show others but if you just wanna have sex it illegal, the law is an ass and dont get me started on the tax loopholes that still exist for the GOVs buddies  

 

Well there maybe studies showing the benefits of the drug but i have seen many friends get messed up using it....some went on to stronger drugs some just now have mental issues and other bodily problems.... 

I have friends messed up from gambling (me included for a time) if people "CHOOSE" to take other drugs that's their decision cannabis does not have mind control and will not make you do ANYTHING, as for having mental problems, there is nothing to prove these would not exist if these people would have never took any drugs, but even if you say is true so what I have fat friends who's lives are ruined and suffer from serious depression because of their weight.

 

 

Just because cannabis might contain elements which are medically therapeutic, it's not reason enough to support the leap from medical trials to the disingenuous argument that by extension people should be able to grow it in their back gardens and burn it within my airspace.

Just for the record, I don't believe in trying to win a "war on drugs" as it simply perpetuates a massive criminal industry that only exists due to the illegality of the substances involved.
However I still don't think that anyone consuming massive quantities of industrial strength skunk is doing their health any favours - either physical or mental.

Regarding chemotherapy - of course it is toxic to some extent, it's designed to kill cancerous cells. It's a poison, but one that's relatively well targeted, and it has saved many lives.
I hope in the future there is a better alternative - cannabinoid based or otherwise.
In the meantime current cancer treatment is as good as it gets, and trying to convince people otherwise is not going to be in their best interests.

Steve Jobs decided not to go with conventional treatment, and it turned out badly for him.

but currently it is illegal because "IT HAS NO MEDCICINIAL VALUE/USE" 

You say this and it disturbs me

"current cancer treatment is as good as it gets, and trying to convince people otherwise is not going to be in their best interests"

its certainly not as good as it gets, chemo has around a 7% chance of success, cannabis oil currently has over a 70% chance of working and this includes people who have already destroyed their body with chemo AKA chemical warfare. also you have the idiot NHS telling people to eat loads of sugar O_O which feed cancer and even creates it (the people who are supposed to investigate this get 6 figure bonuses tax free from the likes of Mars and Coca-Cola similar to the tobacco companies investigating themselves, so dont expect them to tell you this.

 

Whats good is you actually see it as a possible use whereas others just laugh at it, as for smoking in public I think we can all agree it should not be the case, there are many ways to take cannabis and im a big fan of eating it, but you cap vape or get props for under the tongue.

And totally fair points BUT the "state" will not give anyone permission to test this wonder drug, and this is the problem that all of you have missed

 

Cancer is a multi-billion-pound earner for the gov (i wont post a link but if in doubt google it), it also has the effect to rid the country of tiresome retired people who receive pensions, they do not want a cure surely you people see this?  If they did they would feed people Turmeric (again use google) its another wonder drug they cant make money from so instead they tell people NOT to take it because its bad for them (better to get chemo then?) 

 

Do you people believe the government prioritise people's lives over profit? The war for oil is a prime example of how they dont prioritise humans over money and even lie to us to get what they want.

 

If this helps 1 person cure cancer with cannabis I will be happy as can be, you must look into USA to see how its being used there, but again there are rules that stop people making this oil.

 

Currently, the cancer research people are working on making fake cannabinoids in a lab (why would they do this if they did not work against acancer?), so one day they can sell them as pills and charge you a fortune for a plant that grows like its namesake weed, most likely weakening it so it keeps you alive longer rather than cures you, even this although its completely unnecessary is a step in the right direction like I say if you watched CHEMO do its worst then you will agree anything is better than that. Given the choice of CHEMO or no meds Id take no meds your body can fight cancer naturally just starve it as much as possible cut out all proteins and sugars.    

 

I hope the people who commented did actually take time to watch the video even if you think its complete BS you must watch it to make an informed decision thanks for all the replies guys and peace out.

Edited by policematrix, 15 June 2015 - 06:59 AM.

[Magz]

If I read this right, does going for a quality curry and then having a spliff cure cancer?

[aaamusements]

If I read this right, does going for a quality curry and then having a spliff cure cancer?

Only if you also wear a tinfoil hat.

[ricardo de ponsa]

Only if you also wear a tinfoil hat.

 

PHEW!!!! Well that's the cat and myself sorted then!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!!!

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[policematrix]

If I read this right, does going for a quality curry and then having a spliff cure cancer?

You are mentioning tobacco I never mentioned that, but as you have brought it up then if you smoke cannabis with tobacco you are less likely to get lung cancer than a non-smoker (only slightly less likely) but still less likely (put that in your pipe and smoke it ;P) 

 

Only if you also wear a tinfoil hat.

 

 

PHEW!!!! Well that's the cat and myself sorted then!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!!!

 

 

You basically ignore all the facts and information and try and mock me, why not debate the facts? you remind me of the government / "drugs are bad" WHY? "drugs are bad" but it may work as a cancer cure can we test it "no! drugs are bad"  Here is some scientific proof "drugs are....." 

Its nice you have these stupid childish views about a disease that affects 1/2, it actually makes me happy you will choose chemo well not choose it as they don't give you option B, its illegal thanks to people like you refusing to even listen and keeping instead your biased unscientific view, we need people like you to stand up for this not go against it that's what they want you to do, if we believe them then a lot of teenagers should all be schizophrenic, strange how if you compare a graph of weed use to schizophrenic cases there is no coloration, in fact schizophrenic flat lines and has no increase from the 80s to today, so another lie about cannabis which they dont mention these days but never correct the lie and leave it in your mind.

 

The propaganda is widespread your GOV focuses on tackling cannabis but seems not to care about cocaine and the likes? not a day goes by a cannabis factory is raided when was the last time you here about cocaine getting intercepted? im not saying it does not happen im saying their focus is on cannabis the only drug that can not kill you?  

 

I have tried to share life-changing information, You will always have people like this when such things surface, like I say so long as some people even 1 takes this information and uses it to help themselves or a loved one then its mission complete, even just educate yourselves. 

May I also add we are talking about 1 medicinal use here (be it one of the biggest threats to yours and my lives) it has many many more, it can be used as a topical cream and cures psoriasis, CBD works wonders for seizures it can be used to help alcoholics come of that drug and more users.

 

Having most of the people here being at some point totally out of control and addicted to gambling machines, I find it very strange how you are happy for drugs to be illegal (based on the dangers of becoming addicted for the most part) and continue being used underground yet you have no problem with legal fruit machines AKA crack cocaine (it actually gives crack a bad name as there is no way you could spend as much on crack in one day as you can on gambling, as you would die)  which are waiting to take your kids money and possibly ruin their lives.

 

But wait what about the people who can play sensibly? and enjoy the machine without it becoming a problem should they be made to go underground and let gangsters control the gambling because of some who can't control themselves?  Or should we as adults be allowed to decide ourselves? Oh and imagine these machines just happened to cure cancers.

 

Cannabis was used for over 5000 years as a medicine for many things only recently has this wonder drug been made illegal to use, queen victoria was an avid chonger for her period pains. Even though I personally take for recreational purposes I would be happy with it legal for only medicinal use, but for all that's good in this world let us scientifically test it. 

 

The good news is USA has beaten us to this one and we all know the UK is in USAs pocket and we just copy and paste what they do so hopefully we will have some movement on this at some point in our lifetimes

 

 

 

As of December 2013, turmeric is being evaluated for its potential efficacy against several human diseases in clinical trials, including kidney and cardiovascular diseases, arthritis, several types of cancer, and irritable bowel disease. Turmeric is also being investigated for potential treatment of Alzheimer's disease, diabetes, and other clinical disorders.

 

curry and a spliff (must we dumb everything down) 

anyway the info is there use google and increase your gray matter and remember sugar is not a friend of your body.

Edited by policematrix, 15 June 2015 - 10:41 PM.

[aaamusements]

My number one internet rule - I don't debate with conspiracy theorists.