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#1 hurtand165

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Posted 20 October 2003 - 07:06 AM

check the results from the current layout size poll, do these results make any of you question whether you are really doing what is best for the fme scene by making layouts which are all but unplayable to the vast majority of the users of this site?i say this because it seems like most of the new dx layouts that are being released are for the higher resolution screens and are totally useless to us who are not fortunate enough to have a monitor which supports 1280 and above.would it be so difficult to make two versions of your layouts so all screen resolutions are catered for?

thanks for making the layouts you have but please can we see more 1024 ones.

please post your views here if you are designer or not.

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Posted 20 October 2003 - 08:08 AM

I think (as you do) the designers do a great job.......But I picked up a 17" monitor capable of 11 different settings for £35.and a GForce2 400 graphics card for £15 in my local paper second hand, so it's not really expensive to upgrade anyway.

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Posted 20 October 2003 - 08:20 AM

a lot of new machines are shipped with lcd screens that are only capable of 1024x768... after shelling out £300-----£900 for a system they discover fruity world and bollaxed...

I am not bothered as too what res the emu's churnout at.....but count myself in the minority ...

The 1280 res's are graphically more pleasing and of a higher quality, but not many people are going to be able to view the graphic wonders...

Pook has released dual versions of some of his creations to allow low res users the chance to play...which entails extra work..more time..and possibly less releases....

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#4 hurtand165

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Posted 20 October 2003 - 08:28 AM

i know it can be cheap to upgrade monitors and graphics cards but not everyone has extra cash to blow on these things just so they can see larger layouts.

#5 hurtand165

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Posted 20 October 2003 - 08:38 AM

a lot of new machines are shipped with lcd screens that are only capable of 1024x768... after shelling out £300-----£900 for a system they discover fruity world and bollaxed...:twisted:


i recently bought a £1000+ laptop with that very problem, and it would be a pain in the ass to buy an extra desktop monitor to plug into it as it would screw up the portability of the system.

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Posted 20 October 2003 - 09:54 AM

ever considered a back pack???
just made for porting batteries....a little strapped on the front,,,for the 19" monitor...totally portable.......lol
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#7 hurtand165

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Posted 20 October 2003 - 10:40 AM

what a good idea, why didn't i think of that?

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Posted 20 October 2003 - 04:56 PM

Ok! so I've looked at the Poll - and I totally disagree.

How the hell can a Stretched out Full-screen 1024 DX compare to a 1280 WDX that has much more detail and actually looks like a fruit machine. Simple - It can't!!

You're all computer users right? Well you should be used to having to upgrade your equipment from time to time. Computers these days are out of date as soon as you get them home and most people are aware that the machine they buy will only last a few years before an upgrade or a replacement is necessary.

Personally, I've had to upgrade my Operating System and monitor just to be able to play these layouts. From a designers point of view, it would be stupid of me not to be able to use my computer to full advantage. So I make my layouts at 1280 res - end of story!

I CAN sympethise with those of you who can't achieve resolutions in excess of 1024, as was the case with me not so long ago. My advice is that instead of trying to persuade designers to lower the res for their layouts, I suggest that you upgrade and join the 1280 club. You'll never regret it, and you'll wonder why you ever complained in the first place.

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Posted 20 October 2003 - 05:18 PM

You're quite right Dad. Higher resolution layouts are a simple progression of FME. Many people don't think twice about upgrading a graphics card to play the latest installment of a game. One thats capable of running on top spec machines forcing those who want to play and can't, to upgrade.

Sierra have released many games over the years, each one eating more system resources than the last. They haven't gone out of business from poor sales. People adapt their systems to be a part of it.

If the FME scene had started 10 years ago on the Amiga scene, it would have broken through the restrictions of the Amiga in no time at all, forcing those that want to follow, to upgrade to a complete new system altogether. It's a fact of life unfortunately. My first PC could only run classics. A DX was too much for it. I adapted and bought a new PC. If the time comes that my 17" monitor is inadequate, I'll upgrade that too. I'd choose that option anytime over a new PC.

#10 hurtand165

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Posted 20 October 2003 - 05:50 PM

would it be so difficult to make two versions of your layouts so all screen resolutions are catered for?


this goes to dad and compost corner.

look at this quote carefully i did not ask for you to stop making your large 1280 layouts as that would have been unfair to the people who use them, but i did ask if it would be possible to make two versions of each layout.

i understand that 1280 is a progression of technology but as razors back said in his earlier post most systems are shipped with 1024 res screens so is it really fair to expect people to upgrade a brand spanking new monitor straight away?

this post and the original one are not meant to upset any layout designers, but are meant to answer a question that i have been thinking about for a while now.

if it is not possible to make two layouts of each machine would it be possible for some kind designer (maybe you dad) to make a guide that outlines the process of reducing them ourselves.

thanks.

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Posted 20 October 2003 - 06:05 PM

If you really want i dont mind rezizing JPeMu layouts.
When i have got this problem with Paint shop pro 7 sorted.
as long as layout designers could rezzize them t o1024 and then i will do the rest!!!!

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Posted 20 October 2003 - 06:09 PM

OK - it answer your question properly. You can't really resize an existing layout - it just wouldn't look right at all. The only way is to start again from scratch. It takes an awful long time plus a lot of effort to create a layout, therfore the last thing you want to do is to start the whole thing over again. It would bore you to tears doing the same thing twice over.

I have said that I would make my artwork available for anyone else to do at a different res - so I can't say fairer than that really!

I would suggest that anyone who's thinking of doing a layout - then go for it. I even managed to get Compost to do one eventually.

Hope this clears things up a bit :)

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Posted 20 October 2003 - 06:15 PM

would it be so difficult to make two versions of your layouts so all screen resolutions are catered for?


I think I can speak for most designers when I say that the last thing you want to do after making a 1280DX is to then make the same machine again at a smaller res. It's not a case of just a resize, if most cases a complete new DX is required.

And to be honest even if it was six months after doing the DX I still probably wouldn't do it as I could never achieve the same results and quality that I could in 1280, and that would be frustrating and not enjoyable, and at the end of the day it's not as if I'm paid to do, it purely as I enjoy it.

As I have mentioned many times, I will donate my edited source artwork to anyone who would like to release a smaller res version of amy of my releases, just ask.

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Posted 20 October 2003 - 06:16 PM

I meant start from scratch but would someone rezize the artwork to 1024?
Do you use psp7 DAD? or Pook?
And the lamp number that i cant see

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Posted 20 October 2003 - 06:17 PM

OK - it answer your question properly. You can't really resize an existing layout - it just wouldn't look right at all. The only way is to start again from scratch. It takes an awful long time plus a lot of effort to create a layout, therfore the last thing you want to do is to start the whole thing over again. It would bore you to tears doing the same thing twice over.

I have said that I would make my artwork available for anyone else to do at a different res - so I can't say fairer than that really!

I would suggest that anyone who's thinking of doing a layout - then go for it. I even managed to get Compost to do one eventually.

Hope this clears things up a bit :)

DAD


Oi, you git. We were typing that at the same time.
Just looks like I was copying you now. 8O

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Posted 20 October 2003 - 06:22 PM

I meant start from scratch but would someone rezize the artwork to 1024?
Do you use psp7 DAD? or Pook?
And the lamp number that i cant see


Yup, I'll resize my art to any required size and send it on to whoever wants it.

I use Photoshop7.

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#17 fruitymad2003

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Posted 20 October 2003 - 06:25 PM

I dont suppose if you know if registration with adobe is free do you?
because i can dowbload photoshop.
but i have to be a regesterd memeber.

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Posted 20 October 2003 - 06:56 PM

I dont suppose if you know if registration with adobe is free do you?
because i can dowbload photoshop.
but i have to be a regesterd memeber.

You don't have to register photoshop at all, all that does is spam your email with update news to the software, all you need is a serial when installing and that aint exactly hard to find I have hundreds, photoshop owns! Get it on kazaa or something easily.

#19 fruitymad2003

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Posted 20 October 2003 - 07:08 PM

i mean when i downlod a trail version i have to register.
dont matter now anyways
thanks ny way but still need help with paint shop pro 7 or this casino 5 liner wdx is going to look s$&%#
I mean just look at it.

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#20 HBAndrew

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Posted 20 October 2003 - 07:16 PM

Whats exactly the problem with psp? Expired? I can get a serial for it.




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