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#21 gemini17

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Posted 19 May 2018 - 03:59 pm

reckon i might be the only one who disagrees here. Yes i agree with a reduction, £50 would have been pointless, but £20-£30 would have done.

 

£10-£20 mega spins in arcades would have kept every bacta member quiet.

 

 

We've not heard the last of this, bookies will fight back and i wouldnt be surprised if the above stakes were given a go. we shall see!

Bookies survived and made healthy profits when they only had the odd £35/£70 jackpot slot in there premises.

And I recall there were a lot more of them around too.

They just simply became too greedy,just like some of the big high street names in the amusement industry.

Rates and taxes will still rain in regardless of the stake and thankfully big changes are taking place with the online gaming industry too.

I don't know about some parts of the country but around where I live and where I have family,I have seen a transformation on the high street with many bookmakers disappearing -and this has been happening over the last five years,so me thinks they knew this change was coming! :cute:

 

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Posted 19 May 2018 - 04:07 pm

Going to make shit videos though now for SNS with no up to £50 megaspins etc.

 

£2 a go....wait a year before you see a really good bonus.

 

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Posted 20 May 2018 - 09:07 pm

Bookies survived and made healthy profits when they only had the odd £35/£70 jackpot slot in there premises.

And I recall there were a lot more of them around too.

They just simply became too greedy,just like some of the big high street names in the amusement industry.

Rates and taxes will still rain in regardless of the stake and thankfully big changes are taking place with the online gaming industry too.

I don't know about some parts of the country but around where I live and where I have family,I have seen a transformation on the high street with many bookmakers disappearing -and this has been happening over the last five years,so me thinks they knew this change was coming! :cute:

 

Jay

 

No they did not. First everybody went off shore so the government agreed to a fix levey for the bookies - thus creating the 0% tax for the punter

Then and now bet fair has killed the game. Why take 2/1 say on a horse whrn you could get 4/1 or 6/1 online. its only the bread and butter bets of fred and his 10p lucky 15 stuff that gets through. arbing is rife (placing a bet with a bookie and laying it off online for a quick buck win or lose) and their is not enough money in the `pool` to absorb the bookies taking a hit. 

 

i know this because ive been an on-course bookie for some 13 years. Fobt machines with the fix percentage are a guaranteed money earner for the bookies - replacing the lost revenue, infact revenue is so high that its higher than horses and dogs combined. thus arguable, betting is now not the primary sources of income.

 

If the bill goes through (their is still a long time for bookies to challenge the decision) then many many shops will close and jobs will be lost. 

 

 

Now lets get some things clear here, bookies make a f*cking killing here and i agree that the stakes are WAY too high, but £13.80 obviously needs to be the maximum on a number to achieve the £500 or the point of a category b2 machines is defunct. £20 per spin seems fair in my eyes and £10 spins in arcades. If the cap sticks then arcade owners need to look at the future, and 20% tax on arcades seems pretty set to increase upto 30%. Arcades will decine, numbers will decrease and the eventual migration to on-line will follow suit.  

 

Nobody makes people spunk their money on roulette, and when they go the average joe who spent every penny will find something else to waste his money on. 

 

remeber - this was NEVER about protecting the vaunerable, it was about bacta members kicking up a fuss and wanting a level playing field.



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Posted 21 May 2018 - 12:31 pm

 

No they did not. First everybody went off shore so the government agreed to a fix levey for the bookies - thus creating the 0% tax for the punter

Then and now bet fair has killed the game. Why take 2/1 say on a horse whrn you could get 4/1 or 6/1 online. its only the bread and butter bets of fred and his 10p lucky 15 stuff that gets through. arbing is rife (placing a bet with a bookie and laying it off online for a quick buck win or lose) and their is not enough money in the `pool` to absorb the bookies taking a hit. 

 

i know this because ive been an on-course bookie for some 13 years. Fobt machines with the fix percentage are a guaranteed money earner for the bookies - replacing the lost revenue, infact revenue is so high that its higher than horses and dogs combined. thus arguable, betting is now not the primary sources of income.

 

If the bill goes through (their is still a long time for bookies to challenge the decision) then many many shops will close and jobs will be lost. 

 

 

Now lets get some things clear here, bookies make a f*cking killing here and i agree that the stakes are WAY too high, but £13.80 obviously needs to be the maximum on a number to achieve the £500 or the point of a category b2 machines is defunct. £20 per spin seems fair in my eyes and £10 spins in arcades. If the cap sticks then arcade owners need to look at the future, and 20% tax on arcades seems pretty set to increase upto 30%. Arcades will decine, numbers will decrease and the eventual migration to on-line will follow suit.  

 

Nobody makes people spunk their money on roulette, and when they go the average joe who spent every penny will find something else to waste his money on. 

 

remeber - this was NEVER about protecting the vaunerable, it was about bacta members kicking up a fuss and wanting a level playing field.

What ever the full reasons were around the change. One thing I know is this.

For every life that is saved through this change this and this alone will make all the changes more than worth while.

My best friends brother in law took his life in Feb of this year,all through his addiction to the devil wheel.

He could not take the pressure,or stress anymore. He left behind a wife and two daughters.

And his brother,will live every day with the disturbing images in his mind,of the day he found his brother. Alone on his own,nobody with him when he took his life.

Beyond tragic,and this is far from an isolated case.

And as ive stated in another reply I don't just target bookmakers individually. I believe the whole system needs a shake up.

 

Jay



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Posted 21 May 2018 - 02:16 pm

Never played a FOBT and never will , they just don't interest me in the slightest...

 

Don't get me wrong ill still have the ocassional " session " , but it will be when im down at the coast for the day with the family and play the 10p party times or hi-tech machines if there are any decent ones there..

 

Not the bearded one which seem to be everywhere.dont even play pub machines anymore , they are all cloned shite which take about £12 for a feature for a £4 block..

 

No thanks , im glad im well away from that game...


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Posted 21 May 2018 - 02:43 pm

All awp machines not in clubs should be £50 ish jackpot 20p to 50p a spin.

Club jackpots £200 ish.

Keep the playing fun and cheap how it used to be...

Sod the bookies, yes they will shut shops but hey ho, a few less bookies in the town centre, open more low jackpot arcades like it used to be.

Bookies should only have betting slips and coupons for sporting events.

How many family entertainment centres have closed through stupid jackpots, price of play and taxation?

Good on the government for addressing the problem that was spiralling out if control.

Just my opinion.

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Posted 21 May 2018 - 02:46 pm

Ps I agree the Betfair offer the best prices....

It is pointless using a William hill coupon for footy betting now, Betfair online for the same match selections are far,far better odds.

Not a race goer but I bet (pardon the pun) that you can get far better odds on you1r mobile for a live race you are going to watch than a turf accountants on the course.

Guess they will have to match the online odds, lower their profits or get out of the game.




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