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[nails]

afaik, elvis can take over £10,000 before paying a jackpot (this was mentiond in a thread a few years back). the trouble with elvis is that the payout i very lump indeed. seemingly doing nothing and then followed by discs and jukebox`s galore. had customers with 8-£900 in the bank quite a few times, usually getting a jp by the discs and then 5 cars not long after.

cashino was a more even spread.


* to correct the previous post, the machine system payouta are -

controlled random, and random random.

[markleshark]

definition of random :- made or done by chance or without plan it seems totally acceptable for the manu's to not only put bullshit inside the machines but also on the outside!! surely trading standards should prosecute for making such false claims

obviously the random of the controlled random IS NOT AS RANDOM as the random random

[fruitman69]

I have a fair bit of experiance with machine, random, etc and guitar is right on all the points he said that i can see.

But all this has been explained countless times and there will always be people that cannot get their head around "random" machines wether its random controlled or just plain random.

Theres loads of ways to do machines random, from free spins, normal spins, features, trigger features, gambles etc etc.

The 5 reel slots often have very massive odds and total conbinations into the high millions and dont make them any less random.

Even controlled machines have elements of random in them or it would be easy to see patterns.

Most odds are easily worked out on an Excel speadsheet with ease.

Edited by fruitman69, 21 December 2010 - 01:51 AM.

[markleshark]

gotta be totally honest here, all this random pish is not what the thread is about,, its actually the 130% payout, which IS NOT PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE!!!! it is playing with words + playing with numbers.ok, if the machine is advertising 70% minimum payout (normally) the only way it could payout 130% is if it was based on the normal 70 + NOT 130% of its actual takings. this is easily achieved,,,, lets simplify it,,
130% of 70% becomes 70 + 3x7 therefore 70 + 21 = 91% (but only on the megga bullshit feature + NOT NORMAL GAMEPLAY!! what you must remember is, obviously the normal gameplay will average the 70% the remaining 30% is PURE PROFIT, i say this because you can forget about this, this money is nothing to do with contributions towards the megga bullshit feature (130% haha) as i said earlier the 130% comes from the 70%, so therfore when the machine drifts (WILDLY) it will compensate you on the top feature by paying out more, simply reversing the drift. therfore each 10pounds win would now be 13pounds or if the drift warrants it it would simply pay 65 instead of 50 or the same can be said 130 instead of 100,, but obviously it works both ways,, first the machine must make the extra money to justify this. it is actually the same as a win streak, win series, megga streak call it what you will, the only guarantee is that financially you will be no better off. the more you win on the main game the less the top board is offered + visa versa. never forget that saying,,,,,,, if something seems to good to be true it probably is!!

[fruitman69]

gotta be totally honest here, all this random pish is not what the thread is about,, its actually the 130% payout, which IS NOT PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE!!!! it is playing with words + playing with numbers.ok, if the machine is advertising 70% minimum payout (normally) the only way it could payout 130% is if it was based on the normal 70 + NOT 130% of its actual takings. this is easily achieved,,,, lets simplify it,,
130% of 70% becomes 70 + 3x7 therefore 70 + 21 = 91% (but only on the megga bullshit feature + NOT NORMAL GAMEPLAY!! what you must remember is, obviously the normal gameplay will average the 70% the remaining 30% is PURE PROFIT, i say this because you can forget about this, this money is nothing to do with contributions towards the megga bullshit feature (130% haha) as i said earlier the 130% comes from the 70%, so therfore when the machine drifts (WILDLY) it will compensate you on the top feature by paying out more, simply reversing the drift. therfore each 10pounds win would now be 13pounds or if the drift warrants it it would simply pay 65 instead of 50 or the same can be said 130 instead of 100,, but obviously it works both ways,, first the machine must make the extra money to justify this. it is actually the same as a win streak, win series, megga streak call it what you will, the only guarantee is that financially you will be no better off. the more you win on the main game the less the top board is offered + visa versa. never forget that saying,,,,,,, if something seems to good to be true it probably is!!

Bottom line is if the bonus ( free ) spins are showing they pay 130% average whats the problem?

They wont be telling fibs lol

As for saying if something seems to good to be true it probably is! you could just say that about any free spin feature or bonus, wether its like party time rainbow riches or any game etc as they have all been factored into the base % Payout!