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#1 Bakeman

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Posted 25 September 2009 - 11:47 AM

Hi all,

I've been playing the cops and robbers AWP online fruity at Ladbrokes. I would like peoples thoughts on the following.

Ladbrokes claim an average payout of around 95% on all there slots. I was wondering if this is 95% across the board for all players or 95% to the individual?

I'll try to explain my point. If I walk into my local pub and get really lucky on a machine, lets say a couple of streaks and a jackpot. This would obviously raise the percentage. If over the evening I watch punters fill the machine, and then go on again when I feel it's due to drop a jackpot, and again take another pot full of cash. The machine has still kept to it's 72% payout, but my fortunate timing has given me the better of the percentage. Does this theory still work with online slots?

I ask this because I left the online fruity with "Bar cherry melon" on the reels and the hold buttons flashing. On my return the following day the fruits on the reel were the same with the hold buttons flashing. As if I had my own personal machine. Now I know the online machines are just created as and when needed, but if I take a jackpot from an online machine are the percentages going to be made back from me or other punters.

I would like to think that payouts online are across the board, because if the individual playing odds are 95% per player. I and anybody else at that matter have absolutely no chance of turning a profit.

Any thoughts?

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Posted 25 September 2009 - 03:29 PM

i believe all online slots still operate with random number generator software.

i play loaded slot on ladbrokes and i seem to always be profitable on it so i assume its not individual player % but across the board.

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Posted 25 September 2009 - 10:12 PM

these AWP style games are clearly not random, you can see the progress to offering higher wins if you turn down the lower wins etc!

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Posted 26 September 2009 - 12:59 PM

i play at ladbrooks because i like the games on their machines and your not lumbered with tons of pound coins when you hit the big one ...lol
theres a game called mummy money which i love .... is it playable on-line anywhere ;)

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Posted 26 September 2009 - 04:17 PM

Hi all,

I've been playing the cops and robbers AWP online fruity at Ladbrokes. I would like peoples thoughts on the following.

Ladbrokes claim an average payout of around 95% on all there slots. I was wondering if this is 95% across the board for all players or 95% to the individual?

I'll try to explain my point. If I walk into my local pub and get really lucky on a machine, lets say a couple of streaks and a jackpot. This would obviously raise the percentage. If over the evening I watch punters fill the machine, and then go on again when I feel it's due to drop a jackpot, and again take another pot full of cash. The machine has still kept to it's 72% payout, but my fortunate timing has given me the better of the percentage. Does this theory still work with online slots?

I ask this because I left the online fruity with "Bar cherry melon" on the reels and the hold buttons flashing. On my return the following day the fruits on the reel were the same with the hold buttons flashing. As if I had my own personal machine. Now I know the online machines are just created as and when needed, but if I take a jackpot from an online machine are the percentages going to be made back from me or other punters.

I would like to think that payouts online are across the board, because if the individual playing odds are 95% per player. I and anybody else at that matter have absolutely no chance of turning a profit.

Any thoughts?


the payout is based over thousands of plays i.e. £10k played through it.

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Posted 26 September 2009 - 04:27 PM

theres a game called mummy money which i love .... is it playable on-line anywhere


i luve this game i was in coral island in blackpool on thursday playing the £500 reel king gambler and gambling the wins with a 50p in it (£1.50, £2.50 etc) and kept getting the lucky loser horseshoe at £50 after £25 i had £450 from it but then i went onto the mummymoney i put £3 init and got 3 scatters and the first 4 spins kept giving 3 scatters and got 75spins in total but only accumulated 76.20 from free spins i was well not impressed i thought id of got at least 200 quid from it but only 76.

i havnt seen it online anywhere but would luv to find it cause i do like the machine
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Posted 26 September 2009 - 05:02 PM

lots of videos of mummy money giving out knobbish wins from free spins mate


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Posted 26 September 2009 - 09:56 PM

They are random, they just pick a random amount of money, stick it in a pot, and if you pass various random chances in the game you will win it. If you don't, then the pot will accumulate, much like a normal AWP.

You have your own personal machine.

They are 96.5% too, by the way, calculated over 10 million games.

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Posted 27 September 2009 - 01:33 AM

They are random, they just pick a random amount of money, stick it in a pot, and if you pass various random chances in the game you will win it. If you don't, then the pot will accumulate, much like a normal AWP.

You have your own personal machine.

They are 96.5% too, by the way, calculated over 10 million games.


This isnt mr ladbrokes again .Gotta be,How else would someone know such a stat.

#10 Bakeman

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Posted 27 September 2009 - 11:08 AM

They are random, they just pick a random amount of money, stick it in a pot, and if you pass various random chances in the game you will win it. If you don't, then the pot will accumulate, much like a normal AWP.

You have your own personal machine.

They are 96.5% too, by the way, calculated over 10 million games.


Thanks for your thoughts....

So if you have your own personal machine, the only way you can win on these is hope you get in profit at some point, and then come off and never play the machine again. Failing this you are doomed to the 96.5% and always lose in the long run.

If this is the case, these online slots are set up incorrectly. I would like to play these online slots like I've just walked into an arcade. Meaning I have the chance to get lucky on every machine I play on, just as much that I lose on every machine that has just paid out a jackpot and lose a fortune. This is the only way to defy the odds.

Having your own online machine is totally pointless.

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Posted 27 September 2009 - 12:20 PM

They are random, they just pick a random amount of money, stick it in a pot, and if you pass various random chances in the game you will win it. If you don't, then the pot will accumulate, much like a normal AWP.

You have your own personal machine.

They are 96.5% too, by the way, calculated over 10 million games.


So. A random game that sticks to percentages. Why don't the manufacturers just create a machine with a £9,650,000 jackpot that only pays out a single win, once £10million has been played through. Thats within the law right?

The law is very vague. And where it can be manipulated, it's always in benefit of the operator.

'THIS MACHINE IS RANDOM'. of course it is. It was picked at random from the suppliers. The operator just asked for 'any 6 machines' to fit the hole where his Party Time Arena came out of.

'THIS MACHINE PAYS OUT 100%' when any coins entered, fall straight back out into the payout tray.

'THIS MACHINE IS 10p PER PLAY' but is 30p really as I forgot to change the sticker.

'ALL WINS OVER £5 MUST BE WITNESSED BY A MEMBER OF STAFF' so they can determine if you deserve the winnings and 'bar' you if you played fair and square.

'NO PERSONS UNDER THE AGE OF 18 CAN ENTER THIS AREA' once their money has run out.

'THE MANAGEMENT'S DECISION IS FINAL' you will always fail to win any argument whilst on the premises.
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#12 matrix2021

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Posted 27 September 2009 - 01:14 PM

Thanks for your thoughts....

So if you have your own personal machine, the only way you can win on these is hope you get in profit at some point, and then come off and never play the machine again. Failing this you are doomed to the 96.5% and always lose in the long run.

If this is the case, these online slots are set up incorrectly. I would like to play these online slots like I've just walked into an arcade. Meaning I have the chance to get lucky on every machine I play on, just as much that I lose on every machine that has just paid out a jackpot and lose a fortune. This is the only way to defy the odds.

Having your own online machine is totally pointless.

Dan.



I posted a similar question to this many moons ago after I had similar suspicions.

One of my early experiences of playing 'Treasure Ireland' made me realise that it acts as though its your personal machine. After pumping over £40 in one sitting, I got totally peeved off and left it, thinking it was a total con (getting on the board, getting a 6 or 12 and getting bumped off straight away). I returned about 2 weeks later and noticed the Lemons that I won off was still there on the winline, I continued playing and eventually got some winspins for about £80, the machine then went flat and continued with its 6's and 12's on the feature for 'lose'. Thing is, its the same story with all their machines in that section...when you win a reasonable amount, it plays flat - so not very random at all. So when you've recouped some of your losses or even made a profit on each machine, you might as well leave the site altogether because you have to go through the whole cycle again.

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Posted 29 September 2009 - 12:51 PM

Thanks for your thoughts....

So if you have your own personal machine, the only way you can win on these is hope you get in profit at some point, and then come off and never play the machine again. Failing this you are doomed to the 96.5% and always lose in the long run.

If this is the case, these online slots are set up incorrectly. I would like to play these online slots like I've just walked into an arcade. Meaning I have the chance to get lucky on every machine I play on, just as much that I lose on every machine that has just paid out a jackpot and lose a fortune. This is the only way to defy the odds.

Having your own online machine is totally pointless.

Dan.


Online slots are meant to have a much better payout ratio then an average fruit machine, but it is still hard to win. The random number generators are normally audited by companies like PricewaterhouseCoopers, so they should be what they say they are.

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Posted 08 October 2009 - 11:04 AM

looool ok lets get 1 thing straight.....a computer cannot generate a random number!!!

secondly...95% win does not mean your gonna make a profit!!!

with most online slots u put in a tenner and play say 50 p a spin....and when u win it throws u 18p!! woooo...u just lost 32p!!!! but the machine still gave u a win, so thats part of your 95%!!

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Posted 31 October 2009 - 10:54 AM

I made a seemingly 'random' RNG once... every time I rebooted that machine, and printed the 'random' numbers, they were the same as previous runs.

A lot of RNGs now, I belive, use the system clock of a central machine (or a local machine if that isn't available) - a computer generated 'random' seed, manipulated in a 'random' way by a 'random' equation based on the real-time-clock of a certain system, which is probably locked to some atomic unit somewhere... that's about as random as you can get.

But is it random, or just caluclated with a near infinite number of possible outcomes... :)

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Posted 31 October 2009 - 01:36 PM

If it's online it's not AWP. For the simple fact that it is, in no way amusing. Anything other than a good old fruitie connected ONLY to a 240V power supply is NOT AWP. It's a ****-in-a-box.

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Posted 31 October 2009 - 01:39 PM

Sorry, I meant a cnut-in-a-box.
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Posted 31 October 2009 - 09:16 PM

i find online awp's to be a complete ripoff, i used to play them loads but refuse to gamble online anymore since...

firstly: the fact casinos online are a ripoff, they can allow you to deposit no problems, if you lose its tough, but if you win then its tougher.... the problem then lies with most online casinos requesting signed deposit confirmation forms... hassle but no problem... next most ask for a government issued ID scan... now if your like me and look over 21 and dont get id'd for cigarettes and alcohol/to get into clubs, arcades or pubs and havent bought 1 of them ID scheme cards and in addition dont have a passport/drivers licence because you dont drive and havent been abroad then you are potentially screwed, not only will they not accept government issued documents (yearly tax forms etc) but if you explain to them about it they will most likely lock and delete your account (where you forfeit all money including the initial deposit) or at best give you a refund for your deposit... they have no compromise at only casinos and as far as they are concerned us people here in the uk are issued with government id cards with fingerprint scans and whatnot (which of course we dont).... its happened to me many a time and until i grew wise to it, they cost me £1000's of winnings/deposits

and secondly, when i have played online sometimes iv built my bank up nicely and stupidly blew it on blackjack :(


anyways onto the only AWP factor...

the best way to see it is for starters, is imagine being in your local pub and sitting near the typical 78% payout fruit machine, someone comes along, blows lots of money without getting a single payout... you know that you are more than likely to get something decent from it... but imagine that on a wider scale where many people can play that 1 machine at the same time... almost like a "mmo fruit machine" lol... the only difference is.. you dont know if someone has or is gaining big amounts from it and leaving you with an empty bank

the other factor i read about was concerning "microgaming" awp's, it bases some of the payout on how much you put in, say you win £100 on an online awp, it will almost remember that win, and next time you play you might get sod all, the same as if you lost £100, the next time you play it will aim to give you some nice wins from the "pot", i remember reading this ages ago, where casino management even admitted that the RNG wasnt entirely effective in play on AWP's (google it, a few forums will show it)

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Posted 31 October 2009 - 09:54 PM

An illuminating thread. I wouldn't trust those Ladbrokes AWP slots. Even in play mode wierd things happen. For example play 10p and the machine often goes on a crazy streak, in one case for as much as £500 (umpteen repeats on the £50 top prize). However try £10/spin and you're pulling teeth to even get a win. This is in PLAY mode remember, they've made in super generous in 10p, hell why not make it super generous for the top stake as well? There were lots of other quirks also, that really put me off them, and now it seems they're your own personal machines, which is very poor. I'm a member of Ladbrokes Poker and I did swap some cash over to look at these quizzes and pub fruits. I did try a few spins and the gameplay was very tight. Yes I got on the board a couple of times, only on Gee Gees though and it was a struggle to get over 40p. Waste of time in my opinion. Obviously the best advice is not to play at all, but hey, where's the fun in that?

My recommendation is "Spin $2 Million" which is hosted at the i-poker casino amongst others no doubt. The presentation is slick and you can play for as little as 1p a spin. It's a 5 line game, so to get the action you really want to be playing at 5p. You've got a double or nothing gamble and wins are a plenty. I may be slightly biased as I was playing down some change in my poker account and after about £1.50 spent, it rolled in 5*£250k cases for a pleasant £25 win. Ok, not huge potatoes but the music rocks when you get a big win and it's just harmless fun which feels fair.

Feature games could work on line, but they'd always be a niche, however the gauntlet is down. Will we ever see a realistic on line 'pub fruit'? Peter Clayton seemed to fizzle out, Ladbrokes seem to offer a dubious product on this front, will anyone seize the baton?
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Posted 31 October 2009 - 10:55 PM

Don't know anything about these online fruities but i know if i had my own personal machine i wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.




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