36 replies to this topic

[lincs1]

anyone who wants to be Anti gay should not be allowed to post for the simple reason its the 21st century and if people cannot accept human beings for what they are or what they believe in then there's a big problem.

i had a friend a dear friend who was gay who commited suicide in 2007 and i never knew about his death till may 2009. he was my bestest m8 even tho he was gay i had no problem with that whatsoever. i'm just shocked that some folk find these different just because of there sexuality. people need to wake up and move on to the future and not live in the past.

[Bencrest]

I just want to reiterate that I am not getting involved due to the way the question was asked, rather than any opinion on the subject matter.

People who know me will know I'm very open minded and will tolerate pretty much anything, I just feel that the way the question was asked was improper.

It isn't for us to judge whether

gay people can make good parents?

, because any case depends purely on those involved, end of.

I know several gay people who are flaming, completely OTT and would be completely unsuitable for parenting. Funny people, but deep down I'm happy they wouldn't consider adoption. I also know plenty of gay people who are very level headed, considerate, and would make great parents.

Conversely I know several heterosexual people who should never be allowed to breed under any circumstances, let alone consider adopting.

Without knowing you two, I can't comment on whether or not you should be allowed to adopt, which is surely the most important point.

[nails]

whilst im no good to help you wayne, i would say your thread has just as much right to be here as any other.

[stuart4000]

I have never seen such BIGIOTED ANTI-GAY crap in all of my life like this, who basically think God's way is the ONLY way.

I will tell YOU why I feel you are wrong....

Life long friend of mine John, and his partner Jason.

Jason has got a 7 year old kid from a previous marriage, yet both John and Jason bring that kid up as both their own. John was made redundant from Network Rail in Long Eaton, but fortunately another post was available in York, and as it was an area both John and Jason have always wanted to move to, they did just that.

The kid is absolutely happy, with no ill effects, and two guys who worship the earth he walks on. Granted he's had the odd anti-gay remarks thrown at him in school, but they have been promptly dealt with, and generally he's well. Also, the kid still keeps in contact with his mum, whom ironically rents a house of John's parents, and she's absolutely happy for them all.

Now, if that is not a great advert to gay / bi parents going into fostering, then I do not know what is.

To cap things off, some may ask myself.... are you strait / gay / bi..... I'm strait, but have been brought up around many gays and bi's most of my life, due to Mum being in and out of mental health establishments for a number of years, and I have never met such warm, loving, true people, and I have the greatest respect for them.

First off I suggest you source a dictionary and look up the word "BIGIOTED", you'll learn 2 things:

1. It's meaning, which I alluded to in a previous post.
2. How to spell the word correctly.

Secondly, I fully anticipated a reactionary response along these lines from at least one person. You are more than welcome to tell me why you think I am wrong, I have no issue with that, and the instance you refer to is indeed a pleasant one for all involved, again, no issue with that.

However, there's no need to go all "high and mighty" just because I hold a view that an increasing number of people over the ages are disagreeing with. If i were to post an equally negative experience to the one you refer to, would this then back up my viewpoint? Would I feel admonished because I have first-hand proof of why I believe what I do?

The answer to both of those questions is no. The guy asked an honest question, and from me got an honest answer.

Edited by stuart4000, 15 May 2009 - 11:12 AM.

[stuart4000]

anyone who wants to be Anti gay should not be allowed to post for the simple reason its the 21st century and if people cannot accept human beings for what they are or what they believe in then there's a big problem.

i had a friend a dear friend who was gay who commited suicide in 2007 and i never knew about his death till may 2009. he was my bestest m8 even tho he was gay i had no problem with that whatsoever. i'm just shocked that some folk find these different just because of there sexuality. people need to wake up and move on to the future and not live in the past.

I didn't realise that because we're 9 years into a new Century that everyone must share the same viewpoint as everyone else on certain matters.

As for accepting human beings for what they are or what they believe in, does that imply that you agree with the enforcement of strict Sharia Law by the Taliban in certain parts of Pakistan just now, where recently a video was shown on BBC news of a woman being caned whilst being held down?

Just because the Taliban believe in Sharia Law, does this make it right?

[stuart4000]

I apologise then, I wasn't going to put the word in to my reply but your reply hit a nerve as my younger brother is gay and he would make an excellent parent having seen him with my two children.

Not a problem duplu, as you'll see from previous responses, I knew my post would cause reaction with those who have personal (or family) first hand experience.

[Fruity_Goodness]

What was wrong with the concept of orphanages? I know that the old Dickensian orphanages were a bit tough (especially if you wanted "More" like Oliver Twist) but the concept is still valid yes/no?

[Fruity_Goodness]

Whoops! I don't think my post has too much relevance to the original thread. Never mind. Anyway, I think gay is good. You can never have too much of it in my opinion. And gay parents? Perfect for the 21st century I would say.

[carlosgee]

Hiya Guys

OK, as said before not good at posting posts but need your advice, may give you too much info, but what the hell!

After 6 months he is now back with his mom, and decided to join the army, (he turns 16 in a few
My question is 2 fold.

Do you think we have made the right choice (we know that this is a really long comitment), i.e. college courses last for years,

Do you think that gay people can make good parents?,

I think that if he is happy with you both, go for it, if he doesnt want to stay you cannot force him, remember (i have my teacher head on now) everyone has two paths to take one path is what they truly want and one that they are forced to want, both ways show that they are in charge of the direction they take but both have different outcomes. You have offered the chance, now let him decide and support him whatever he chooses. So long as you are there for him that is what counts

[stanmarsh14]

Simple answer...... f***off you scum bag BIGIOT!

How about you check the meaning of POT, KETTLE, BLACK before you start throwing about the HIGH AND MIGHTY crap!

First off I suggest you source a dictionary and look up the word "BIGIOTED", you'll learn 2 things:

1. It's meaning, which I alluded to in a previous post.
2. How to spell the word correctly.

Secondly, I fully anticipated a reactionary response along these lines from at least one person. You are more than welcome to tell me why you think I am wrong, I have no issue with that, and the instance you refer to is indeed a pleasant one for all involved, again, no issue with that.

However, there's no need to go all "high and mighty" just because I hold a view that an increasing number of people over the ages are disagreeing with. If i were to post an equally negative experience to the one you refer to, would this then back up my viewpoint? Would I feel admonished because I have first-hand proof of why I believe what I do?

The answer to both of those questions is no. The guy asked an honest question, and from me got an honest answer.

[kyle82]

that would be fine if you will have the parent's consent.. it depends on your purpose why you are adopting or something.. yes, you serve as an alternative parents for that someone, but taking responsibility requires a lot of patience and understanding especially that the kid ddnt live with you since birth..

[Johnnyafc]

Least it beats the same old tired FME arguments

[stuart4000]

Simple answer...... f***off you scum bag BIGIOT!

How about you check the meaning of POT, KETTLE, BLACK before you start throwing about the HIGH AND MIGHTY crap!

Hmm, given that i've yet to receive a rap on the knuckles from a mod for displaying an honest opinion, I doubt there's little chance of me fuc*ing off anytime soon as you so eloquently put it.

Someone else suggested that earlier that I should move on as it's the 21st Century - perhaps you should learn to tolerate others points of view, whether you agree with them or not.

This could go on and on, although I expect another "BIGIOT" post replying to this, so i'll quit now.

[jamespir]

adopt or what which is best theres only one way to find out fight

[jamespir]

no seriously heres my side of the argument being a dad to three wonderful kids
i would say that i belive kids should be brought up with MUM and DAD not DAD and his fella or MUM and her filly as it can seriously caause problems with the child ie bullying and can damage mental helath

but im in no way homophobic as i have a gay brother my self and if he wanted to adopt kids id probably back him as his my brother BUT he says himeself that he would never have kdis due to the stigma that surrounds the whole situation

[ady]

BUT he says himeself that he would never have kdis due to the stigma that surrounds the whole situation

See thats whats wrong with people in general.....what the hell has it to do with anyone else!

Now the bullying, when I was a kid a single parent was taboo (or as near!) and as a very young kids they got 'picked on'.....now that don't raise an eyebrow!

Gay people are more open now and like single parents its more the 'norm'

I live in Brighton, and we see all sorts.....i'm 100% straight but I do occassionally drink in Gay pubs....

Now the only thing I do dislike is Gay Pride YouTube - Gay Pride Brighton 2006 this does concern me, in a main street Mums shopping with young kids and a float comes past with a bloke hanging all his bits out.....thats Gay too far!...and I honestly think this does more harm than good.

[carlosgee]

See thats whats wrong with people in general.....what the hell has it to do with anyone else!

Now the bullying, when I was a kid a single parent was taboo (or as near!) and as a very young kids they got 'picked on'.....now that don't raise an eyebrow!

Gay people are more open now and like single parents its more the 'norm'

I live in Brighton, and we see all sorts.....i'm 100% straight but I do occassionally drink in Gay pubs....

Now the only thing I do dislike is Gay Pride YouTube - Gay Pride Brighton 2006 this does concern me, in a main street Mums shopping with young kids and a float comes past with a bloke hanging all his bits out.....thats Gay too far!...and I honestly think this does more harm than good.

i agree with sum of your points, i have no problem at all with homosexuality as some of my friends are gay but what i find offensive is people really camping things up, sean in corra no need to be that camp its just OTT gay people are not stereotypicalli "ooh hello darlin etc" just normal down to earth people