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[nails]

just played a Project MegaBars Cat C. it has 3 stake buttons for 50p £1 and £1.50 per spin.

£1.50 gives you 3 winlines (as opposed to 1 or 2) with a jackpot of £105 which will thus be £210 when jacky goes up.

Found it quite enjoyable and has a random feature that changes loosing lines into winners, a bit like the golden 7 slotto games that changes fruits into golden 7`s.

spun me in -

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for £10+£35+£35=£80 in for a cat c machine. phat!

[Bencrest]

It's these 'bends' of the rulebook that make me wonder why we don't limit the whole fruit machine industry to £5 Jackpot / 5p Play and have done with it.

OK, you'll probably be shouting 'I DON'T WANT £5 JACKPOT YOU #@#@#@# I WANT £70'.

... look at the ratio of £5 Jackpot and 5p Play. It equates to :
£5 Jackpot / 5p Play,
£10 Jackpot / 10p Play,
£20 Jackpot / 20p Play,
£50 Jackpot / 50p Play,
£70 Jackpot / 70p Play,
£100 Jackpot / £1.00 Play...

All they do - as was the case with Section 16 originally, is try to claim that 'winlines = games / plays'. Therefore, with a Section 16, you were actually playing a £25 Jackpot machine at 10p Play - BUT you were playing 20 winlines, which equals 20 games, which equals £500 Jackpot (£25*20) @ (10p*20) £2 Play.

Edited by Closed Loop, 04 May 2009 - 11:45 PM.

[voodoomau5]

sod 5p a play

[todd1970]

Id agree with Ben..machines on 5p play are more enjoyable to play and obv you get more for your money.

[mart1711]

IMO 20p/25p play and £10/£15 was the hey day of awp's as we know them. £1.50 a play and £105 JP is also not a problem to me, so long as the payout % remains reasonable.

[subby]

I play a homers meltdown on 5p £5jp and its far more entertaining. Ive played higher stakes for years and ever since the jp increased from £15 its gone downhill as far as enjoyment goes.

[Bencrest]

Ah, it appears my post didn't come across as intended, which is no great surprise, after all I had far too much to drink last night

What I meant was, because the manufacturers are so good at finding loopholes, why not just limit the stakes / prizes of machines to £5 Jackpot / 5p PER GAME, and then allow the player to decide how many 'games' to play for each spin?

As can be seen from the post by Nails above, they have done that with the £35 Jackpot already, by assuming that each 'winline' is 'one play', therefore even though the machine looks like £105 Jackpot for £1.50, they claim that it's actually 3 Games of £35 Jackpot @ 50p Stake, just in one 'spin'.

It makes sense to me then just to limit EVERYTHING to £5 Jackpot / 5p Play, and no doubt the manufacturers will come up with a way to make that £100 Jackpot @ £1 Play before long, probably using 20 Winlines @ 5p per Winline.

Let's say this worked on a normal hi-tech AWP - it would allow you to play a pub type game at 5p Play / £5 Jackpot on a single winline, 10p Play / £10 Jackpot over 2 winlines, 15p Play / £15 Jackpot over 3 winlines, 20p Play / £20 Jackpot over 4 winlines, and the previous 25p Play / £25 Jackpot over 5 winlines, which is the usual maximum amount of winlines you'll find on a Pub machine.

[hurricane]

Let's say this worked on a normal hi-tech AWP - it would allow you to play a pub type game at 5p Play / £5 Jackpot on a single winline, 10p Play / £10 Jackpot over 2 winlines, 15p Play / £15 Jackpot over 3 winlines, 20p Play / £20 Jackpot over 4 winlines, and the previous 25p Play / £25 Jackpot over 5 winlines, which is the usual maximum amount of winlines you'll find on a Pub machine.

Sounds good, but wouldn't it confuse the machine this way cause if somebodys playing for a £5 jackpot and gets than somebody for example tries for a £25 jp, wouldn't it just think its payed out a JP and try to recoup its losses before it pays out again despite it was only a £5 cause it might think right iv'e got to get my JP back at 25p/£25. Sorry i know what iv'e wrote makes no sense but i hope you get the jist of it.

[voodoomau5]

I play a homers meltdown on 5p £5jp and its far more entertaining. Ive played higher stakes for years and ever since the jp increased from £15 its gone downhill as far as enjoyment goes.

Got a homers meltdown on 10p/£5 near me and thats bad enough, unless it's on 20p a spin there's nothing to go for :/

[nails]

i quite agree, 5p play is shite

[ady]

just played a Project MegaBars Cat C. it has 3 stake buttons for 50p £1 and £1.50 per spin.

£1.50 gives you 3 winlines (as opposed to 1 or 2) with a jackpot of £105 which will thus be £210 when jacky goes up.

Found it quite enjoyable and has a random feature that changes loosing lines into winners, a bit like the golden 7 slotto games that changes fruits into golden 7`s.

spun me in -

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for £10+£35+£35=£80 in for a cat c machine. phat!

Have this at Bingo Nails.....

15 Bars and 3 repeats......seen it a few times.............but some have also spent a bit on the bad days

One guy I know plays just for that sequence.

[barxfan]

Yep, the "best" feature is the sequence where it drops the jackpot in 3 times, for a total of £315 "jackpot". "3 independent games?" Yeah, right

As this "rule bending" hasn't been repeated elsewhere on other non-Legacy machines, I'd venture that it was "one step too far" as far as legality was concerned, and that the manufacturers have therefore shied away from replicating it. It's nothing more than the same dubious interpretation of the law that allowed Section 16 machines in.

If it was arguably ok, they'd all be at it. And if the industry "regulator" actually gave a shite, and there was any policing of stakes and prizes, Mega Jackpots would be banned from arcades. This is a Legacy machine, though, so no more can be produced.

[Zoltar]

Id agree with Ben..machines on 5p play are more enjoyable to play and obv you get more for your money.

My experiences with 5p play £5jp games was pretty poor. Lots of spins but very rare in the gameplay. 20p £4.80 was the best stake/prize ratio. I'd maybe even accept 20p £6.

Hovering around those stake/plays, we could have decent 30p play £10 jackpot games, (£9 sounds a strange round figure). Or going the other way, 10p £3jp games. I'd much prefer the latter over the 10p £5jp games we have now providing the gameplay of the older original 20p £6jp game is there.

Manufacturers are simply infatuated with trying to coerce people into playing by shouting about big jackpots. When they care not for decent gameplay. The player of course plays to win. But if he loses, and got great entertainment out of the experience, a player can walk out of an arcade feeling happy to some extent. And lets face it. How many players walk out of arcades these days with smiles on their faces?

[piesthecat]

i try and stay away from the 5p / £5 cause i dont mind playing crazy fruits like this but other machines are dump on this stake apart from cf and red hot fever

[fruitsnappa]

just played a Project MegaBars Cat C. it has 3 stake buttons for 50p £1 and £1.50 per spin.

£1.50 gives you 3 winlines (as opposed to 1 or 2) with a jackpot of £105 which will thus be £210 when jacky goes up.

Found it quite enjoyable and has a random feature that changes loosing lines into winners, a bit like the golden 7 slotto games that changes fruits into golden 7`s.

spun me in -

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for £10+£35+£35=£80 in for a cat c machine. phat!

Will Cat D machines soon become 30p a spin and £15 Jackpot?

[voodoomau5]

Will Cat D machines soon become 30p a spin and £15 Jackpot?

would be good but i reallly doubt it.

[nails]

Will Cat D machines soon become 30p a spin and £15 Jackpot?

you know what - that, from an owners point of view is a fantastic idea.

[Zoltar]

you know what - that, from an owners point of view is a fantastic idea.

How much input or influence do owners/operators have when new stakes are suggested? And do owners/operators have any influence on what games come out? Is it purely a manufacturer suggestion with both of these?

I understand that manufacturers make more machines of the variety that sell well, and I presume that owners/operators buy whats popular so thats pretty straight forward. But do owners/operators scream out for higher jackpots or games with better gameplay? After all, a machine that plays well, but gives the owner/operator less percentage, should make them more money overall as the game is played more.

On that theory, I reckon that a 5p or10p play Crazy Fruits with just a £5 jackpot may well take more in a day than say a 30p play £35 jackpot machine. Yes, Crazy Fruits may take less money due to it's price per play/stake/jackpot, but overall, makes more at the end of the day because it is simply played more.

Would an arcade full of 10p £5 jackpot games that were popular net the owner/operator more money than say a 30p £35 jackpot game that may get the odd pound here and there and sometimes only have a couple of players per day.

Does gameplay really lead to higher profits and if it does, do owners/operators push this point to the manufacturers?

[nails]

their are poles that go out, and some suppliers do ask for feedback, but at the end of the day, the cashbox does the talking. There are some really good ideas out there, but on the whole, nobody listens. ignoring £70 jackpot and just asking for b3 £2 is a classic.

50p play £35 can suck a double jackpot in minutes, where a 5/10p £5 would takes hours to make £70. problem solved.

There are 2 reasons who owners have £5 jackpots. the first is that FECs cant have them, and AGCs have them to make the numbers up and keep the license duty down - which ironically has just gone up again.