49 replies to this topic

[CrAzYbAr]

Dont like the content of this one, is all...Not disappointed by the principle, as Pete has paid some subs etc, and doesn't make too many UJ posts, I just dont like this one about.

[ForYouToEnvy]

I think boundrys need to be set before we get flooded with this kind of pish.

What has started as a bit of fun could easily desend into a porn war as
people try and find more and more pornographic material and mask it as trivia

[£6 In Tokens]

I still find Union Jackpot's motives very suspect as I have from day one.

Mee too, have done since day one.

Haven't clicked the link on this one or the last one, guess I'm just a miserable sod, who will never trust Peter Clayton - Lol :devil:

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[CrAzYbAr]

So if I pay some subs, I can post what I like? Don't think so!! Anyway the banners only went up yesterday then we get this drivel. Tell me, WTF has arses & elbows/Tranny or F*nny got to do with either fruit machine emulation or simulation?

Yeah I realise that this is in the 'any topic chat' section but that's not the point, they're supposed to be working on fruit machine sims and not this crude rubbish.

I still find Union Jackpot's motives very suspect as I have from day one.

I had no problems with the drivel really...It's only this thread and the content of it I didn't like. Arse and Elbow I had no problem with at all.

[cashbox1]

a bit of harmless fun,but DAD is right- its got f*** all to do with fruits or emulation so maybe its for somewhere else.....

[todd1970]

Fair points on both sides here..I agree with DAD and Duplu.

A bit below the belt (so to speak) for a FME site and all a bit of harmless fun.

The nudity in the link is no more than you see almost every day in pop-ups etc..and as long as its not causing "general outrage" then i can see no harm in it.

[jamesb99_1999]

VAT cut, OJ Simpson and Champions league have nothing to do with FME either they are simply informing or chatting with a community brought together by a common theme.. Peoples worries seem to be that this is a bakdoor form of advertising to get people to the website.. Maybe that's the case and I'm not sure where I stand on it personally but for once I don't feel strongly about something... lol

[jaybee]

VAT cut, OJ Simpson and Champions league have nothing to do with FME either they are simply informing or chatting with a community brought together by a common theme.. Peoples worries seem to be that this is a bakdoor form of advertising to get people to the website.. Maybe that's the case and I'm not sure where I stand on it personally but for once I don't feel strongly about something... lol

This man speaks sense.

Threads with folks blagging about winning £1000's on B3 machines are more dangerous than a not yet launched gambling site.

[peter.clayton]

In an attempt to please everyone, here we go. We have reached a commercial arrangement with this site and fruit-emu.com have deemed us acceptable. If you do not agree with this then you are free to take it up with them but we have no ulterior motive except to publicise what we are about to launch, it is that simple and you guys fit the profile, especially when it comes to intelligence with regards machines and feedback.

Indeed, it would be negligent of us to avoid this audience as a business if we are to spend marketing money wisely. And we will continue to support this site too, hopefully in the future we can do this without having to 'get back' our money with advertising as the business is a success. You always remember the people who helped you on the way up.

We placed the link in a thread for reasons of tact, which may surprise some of you. We could have just placed the link in the advertising banner, which would have meant everyone on every page saw the link and there would be no getting away from it. By placing it in a thread we receive good debate about what people think and this allows us to tailor our message. We know this promotion is edgey and we have voluntarily placed it in a position that is signifcantly less than we have paid for. As we said from the beginning, we are intending to be a company that supports the A in AWP and will listen to our customers unlike the big gaming companies.

We are also about to kick in with a significant marketing budget that will increase the number of registrations and people viewing our site and will make it considerably more populated than this one. We also intend to link back to you guys too. In other words, you are more valuable to us than we are to you at this time, but this will change very quickly to the other way round. We will not forget you when it does.

I think the best debates are when people can see both sides of the argument and they skillfully discuss both points of view, otherwise it is just a rant, and there is one ranter in particular that annoys me. It would be unpolite to say whom this is.

There are also some wonderful ironies, and I am not trying to disrespect the following people but it did raise a smile. One person within their post said, "Don't like the content of this one..." just above a box within the post that states, "It's wetter than pussy at a Chipendale's show".

Better still was this one. "Could easily desend into a porn war as
people try and find more and more pornographic material and mask it as trivia". I struggled to read this one as it was placed just above the on display breast of a woman dripping with sweat and her nipple poking through her skimpy vest. Kind of took my eye of things. Nice signature though.

Yes it may be deemed as provocative, but it shows no more than page 3 of the Sun which has no age restraints (not that I am agreeing with this) and is viewed everyday by over 2 million people.

The real reason I am writing is that in some of the negative responses, in one grumpy old man's in particular (just like your Dad would write) I sense a resentment based on nothing other than a feeling that we are doing something proactive and this is offensive to him. The responses from this person are poorly authored, bigoted with a narrow cast view, are based on absolutely nothing other than a feeling and a mistrust of us from day 1. The man has made his mind up and we do not expect any decent input, good or bad from him so we always discount his narrowly disguised rants as the quality is so shoddy.

They are based on no facts or figures, no PM's to us to discuss issues, no requests for information, indeed nothing that could be deemed sensible from which you can then form an informed opinion. And here's the point precisely, with no skilled judgement in them or facts, they read like uninformed opinions and I actually think they reflect more poorly on the author than us.

And just as a post comes in from this guy you can then predict the exact people who will fly in with support simply because the ringleader has called. Again, we don't mind negative feedback but keep it intelligent instead of monosyllable grunts that start with something like "I tell yer lads...'", or "Me gut says....', this misuses the purpose of a forum and makes you sound like a drunken man.

I'm not quite sure what qualifies someone as a mod but I would have thought the ability to keep an open mind, have skilled debate and a considered opinion might have been helpful in the job description. Fancy us evil people paying for advertising, getting an agreement and then having the balls to actually use what has been paid for! Outrage!, it's a good job the man above doesn't have any reciprocal links to his site that request donations to help him keep it going...oops.

Who I would like in this debate are Zoltar and Adydb. I have admired both from day 1 because of one simple thing. They bring no knee jerk reaction to any debate and I always enjoy reading their thoughts. They are well written, appear educated, consider all aspects of an argument and you usually learn from them. We could all learn from them. Zoltar (The Hull City guy, hope this is right) in particular wades in with absolute clarity when a thread veers off into unbalanced rants and he is more than capable of changing someone's mind with real debate based on knowledge.

If you want to take us down then do so. Talk to the powers that be, in a sensible way (discounts one person I guess) and take it from there. Please do not decide this with a pole as I can imagine the slant with which someone will put this together.

Do you want these blood sucking, aggressive commercial bastards on our site? Yes / No. Mmmmmmm.

Edited by peter.clayton, 06 December 2008 - 10:21 AM.

[RB]

Harmless fun, posted in any topic chat. I dont see any real problem on a personal level. I know of a couple of layout designers that have mutilated real machines to contain explicit Hardcore artwork and reels, just for fun, some have been released others havent. Only thing i wouldnt like to see is Porn banners popping up, i would like to respect the right to view this type of thing or not on a personal level...Now i must get back to play Gash for Cash....got 3 trannys in view for the mystery prize.....

Edited by RB, 06 December 2008 - 11:16 AM.
cant bloody spell

[RB]

i understand you point DAD, and also believe the motives are financial rather than "FME" related. On unchecking Ad block i viewed an awful lot of online casino ads on this site, admittedly you dont have to view them using adblock and they dont post provocative threads,but I would presume Alan has to finance the running of FE, and the google ads etc help in some way but he may also view peter.clayton as another source of revenue to offset costs.
Hardcore addicts, gamblers will trowel the net looking for a game, and will continue to do so until they admit to themselves they have a problem and then sort it out themselves. Of course posting Pish here and featurette games is like shooting fish in a barrel to a ready made clientel. Maybe Alan will have to decide on wether posting provocative & enticing threads in a popular forum is acceptable or maybe if peter.clayton deserves a seperate forum purely for posting this type of content?

Maybe an "Online games Forum" with over 21 Access, and restricted Pish posting in other forums??
With a warning " Entering this forum may cost you more than money in the long term".

Edited by RB, 06 December 2008 - 12:05 PM.
after thought....

[RB]

He has already stated that this is a financial arrangment with Duplo and themselves so i would believe Alan would just need to draw up the rules with regard to phishing for punters.
Peter views this site and its clientel as a target of revenue, and has posted such and if he wishes to throw a percentage of his advertising revenue towards the upkeep of FE then i would presume that is of more concern to Alan.
Admittedly a lot of FE's punters are not mature enough in the world to see the obvious dangers and the enticments of "Winnings" so if Peter.clayton is here to stay, or at least until his target audience has been saturated then i state again that Duplu would need to draw up rules. Personally i dont View Peter.Clayton as a Person, i see the nick and see corporate......always have done.