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[regvera]

Tara - not only are you displaying a talent for beng thick, but also an inclination for pointless aggression.

If you do not like the replies - carefully consider your questions, let alone you statements.

Cuddly Wuddly Reggiepoosey

[Richard]

oh dear reg, you've obviously lost a lot of money in these FOBT's, and infer from this they are not random.

To get to £10000 even with £100/spin would be an extremely difficult feat statistically, and would basically require people to cover a small amount of numbers that paid £500 for each (ie. £13 odd on each number) and that they keep doing it and hitting them alot more than the odds dictate until they reach £10000, this is really unlikely in statistical terms, and I also doubt many would keep ploughing the bets on after they reach £2000+, hence why no-one gets it.

The reason you are getting different numbers when pressing 2 at a time, is that you haven't timed it exactly right, that's an easy one.

This 97.3% is just a guide of the statistical percentage payback odds on ONE SPIN, it doesn't HAVE to pay it and it is not regulated by whether it's hitting the 97.3% or not over time. Each spin is a separate 97.3% trial - of course over time statistically the overall percentage will err towards that figure - this happens in casinos and on FOBT's and any similar gamble.

What I fail to understand is how people think bookies would want to rig these things, where the game is a proven HUGE money maker anyhow, look at vegas!!!! There is simply no need to rig these things, they will make money naturally.

[tara10825]

oh dear reg, you've obviously lost a lot of money in these FOBT's, and infer from this they are not random.

To get to £10000 even with £100/spin would be an extremely difficult feat statistically, and would basically require people to cover a small amount of numbers that paid £500 for each (ie. £13 odd on each number) and that they keep doing it and hitting them alot more than the odds dictate until they reach £10000, this is really unlikely in statistical terms, and I also doubt many would keep ploughing the bets on after they reach £2000+, hence why no-one gets it.

The reason you are getting different numbers when pressing 2 at a time, is that you haven't timed it exactly right, that's an easy one.

This 97.3% is just a guide of the statistical percentage payback odds on ONE SPIN, it doesn't HAVE to pay it and it is not regulated by whether it's hitting the 97.3% or not over time. Each spin is a separate 97.3% trial - of course over time statistically the overall percentage will err towards that figure - this happens in casinos and on FOBT's and any similar gamble.

What I fail to understand is how people think bookies would want to rig these things, where the game is a proven HUGE money maker anyhow, look at vegas!!!! There is simply no need to rig these things, they will make money naturally.

Thank you very much as i said to Reg before they are random not percentage based.

[regvera]

Guys,

Yes, i have done my prime cut bollocks on the FOBT's many times.

However, the facts are...

The FOBT'S have to pay 97.3 precent (at William Hills - anyways) over their accounting year. Yes - it could be under percentage one week and then over the next week.

The 97.3 percent average is based on a best play strategy (I am quoting these words from the machine screen)

Maybe you will enlighten me as to what "best play strategy" means?

As for getting the same number - I have pressed the spin button at EXACTLY the same time (a 10th of a second should not even make a diifference as it only draws a number every second from the central computer) and got different numbers.

I have seen this happen numerous times - you really need to go and play one to see how they work.

Be interesting to see if you would revise your opinion, or not..

As for winning £10,000 - people mamange to do it on a real casino wheel staking less than £100 per spin.

If you did 10 numbers on the FOBT at £10 each (35-1 odds for any number straight up) it should not be impossible for 1 person in the whole of Britain to get to £10,000 - even £5000 - but I have never seen or heard of anyone get near that.

I will post a link about the percentage of FOT's tonight - it is worth reading.

And can I just confirm, I have spoken to plenty of betting shop managers who state that the FOBT's works to a percentage. As I said originally - the number may be "random" but only as much as the percentage of any given machine will allow at any given time.

Cheers

Reg

[regvera]

Hi Gang,

I had a agood chat with my local Corals manager today - he's a good bloke and is pretty honest about the whole gambling lark.

He said that their (Corals) FOBT's are 97.3% and that the machine is completely random. He did no think that the size of stake placed on the numbers made any difference to the result.

So - I have to put my hands up and say that he, and both of you, may be right.

I agree that there would be no point in rigging the software - for legal reasons and the fact that the bookies make shedloads anyways.

However, I still believe, and it is just my ever so modest opinion, that the stake does affect the percentage - and that the machine will pay if it can "afford" to.

However - I may be totally wrong.

To support my argument I have attached the below link that gives contrasting opinions - as to whether it is a software percentage or not.

Also, I told the manager that I have pressed the spin button on two machines at the same time and NOT got the same number. He didn't think this could happen, but was not willing to put much money on it! I'm going to try this with a a pound on two separate machines at the weekend.

So there we go, Reggiepoos scoffing some humble pie - YUM!

However... Fruit Machine Chat :: View topic - FOBT - why its' not like _casino roulette

Reg

[mrmystery83]

So, as i said in my earlier post in this thread, are they getting around the ruling by only switching them on by request? Surely that's still breaking the law but they do have signs displayed to let people know. Must be a loophole. Referring to an arcade near me btw. Anyone else have arcades near them that are doing that?

Just an update. The signs have now gone, so they must've got told. They've not got the room to make different 'sections' in the arcade. So i guess now they've got to comply. One machine i've noticed is a lot different, is the Coronation Street one. It has different features on it and everything since the conversion. But no CashPots anymore. The manufacturers are sure as hell taking their sweet time to convert the machines. It must be costing the arcades a small fortune having to wait round leaving them switched off.

Not that i have any sympathy for them of course lol

[eddiec]

Cash pots/melon meters/nudge pots were part of the fun of playing machines, trying to get them. Stupid bammies banning those things!
(Of course not like they have such in America - I don't think a yank would know what to do with a nudge

[No1Stoney]

Ive noticed they have started putting these stickers on machines in arcades around here

These labels are on the £5 JP machines, and category C stickers on £25JP machines. How come this is do you think?

-No1Stoney

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[serviceenginner]

Ive noticed they have started putting these stickers on machines in arcades around here

These labels are on the £5 JP machines, and category C stickers on £25JP machines. How come this is do you think?

-No1Stoney

i have just spent all morniung going round all our clubs putting b4 stickers on all the fruits what a boring job that was

[roderz]

Ive noticed they have started putting these stickers on machines in arcades around here
These labels are on the £5 JP machines, and category C stickers on £25JP machines. How come this is do you think?
-No1Stoney

Quit simply - it the (new) law !
Honest.
Because the new army of overpaid commission inspectors don't know there arse from their elbow, so the industry has to put identifying stickers on all the machines to help the f***ing muppets identify a B3 from a cat C or D.

as i said f***ing muppets - and we pay their wages.
f***ing muppets muppets muppets muppets muppets muppets muppets muppets

Rant over - sorry.