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[jweaver]

As most of you know, I have just bought a 'Hot Stuff' and am very happy with it.

But I am trying to work out the technical aspects of it.

I noticed when open the door, it says "DOOR 70:00", but I couldn't work out what this ment.

But I now realise that the first number means 70%, which is too low.

So, I set about changing it.. This is where my first confusion starts.. My machine has a variable key stuck in the slot, but it seems that you can achive the same using the switches in BANK1..

Whats the difference between using the 'Variable Key' and the switches on the MPU?

I have now removed the key and after a bit of playing, have the machine at 78% as now when the door is open is says "DOOR 78:00".

However, I understand that the 2nd number is the ACTUAL payout and if what I am seeing is true, mine is 0%. I would assume that the machine would now be on a massive (almost impossible) payout to get the % up, which i doubt if it would ever achieve.. But its actually taking a lot more than its paying.

Does the fact that mine is showing 0% indicate a problem? If so, is there anyway of resetting it, so that I can start all over again??

Your answers are greatly apprecaited

All the best

Jon

[Bencrest]

Unless you've caused the machine to reset itself (i.e you've tried changing jackpots or have accidently changed jackpot/stake) then it should definately show more than 0%.

[mangolio]

My problem is quite the opposite. The target percentage on my club adders and ladders is 86% but its actual percentage is 6540%. If anyone could shed some light on this at the same time as jweavers I would very much appreciate it.

[impact]

Divid the cash in with the cash out or the other way should get a fig like this 77.173999999

jpm use theres like this 80.12 now the . means + no . means - there for 80+12=92% or 80 12 80-12=68%

[jweaver]

Bencrest.. It certainly said 70:00 from the day I got it.. BUT. I know for a fact that the seller change the stake from 30p before I got it..

Interestingly, the figures in/out are

913049
720010

Which to me is spot on at 78.85%

Should I worry that its showing 78:00?


Jon

[impact]

no useless you are going to site the machine in club or pub ect private home use not to worry about

another thing open the bottom door turn the refill and view bookeeping log cant rememeber if it is there the act% and aim% to your figs the machine is running @a norm load it right up wack a few jacks out of it machine will find its target %

[jweaver]

But surely, if the machine shows 78:00, then it doesn't even know what its ment to be paying out??

Saying that, if this is simply a quick check and the machine uses its 'proper' stats to work out the %, then I can see that it will be OK.


Also, can someone please confirm whether there is any difference between setting the % on the 'key' or directly on the MPU5 modle?

Jon

[impact]

your machine will set up ok just takes some time ,and no there is not any differents between a %key and dills on the mpus games card only as 1 is hard ie the key ,and dills on the game card is soft a you are driving it via the software

[Bencrest]

But surely, if the machine shows 78:00, then it doesn't even know what its ment to be paying out??

Saying that, if this is simply a quick check and the machine uses its 'proper' stats to work out the %, then I can see that it will be OK.


Also, can someone please confirm whether there is any difference between setting the % on the 'key' or directly on the MPU5 modle?

Jon

The 'proper' stats are the machines long term VTP figures. These remain in memory for the life of the machine (unless RAM is lost for some reason).

There are also short term meters, which will show coins in/out since the last major reset (stake and prizes change for example).

They are interesting for seeing how much the machine has been played in its lifetime, but for a home use machine aren't particularly important.

[skabaz]

your machine is at exactly 78%.

if the machine reads 78.78 then it means that the machine is at 0% and needs to work up to its %.

if it says 78.01 then its actually at 77% and will work back up to 78% once it has been played for a short time.

since yours says 78.00 then its spot on.

this is what happens with all genesis cabinets

as impact says there is no difference between the % key and the switches on the mpu.

baz

[Bencrest]

Oh yeah, I remember now, the last part is the drift.

Is it Impact machines where it shows Target:Actual?

[skabaz]

yeah jpm machines show target and actual.

baz

[mack]

FWIW, I removed the percentage key from my psycho cash beast genesis and pushed over the top 4 switches on the MPU so it now says DOOR 98.00 instead of DOOR 78.00.

I cleared the short term stats and after about 2000 plays it says Target 98.00 - Actual 101.00 so I don't think you need a percentage key. It seems to want to pay a lot instead of the tight ass machine it was.

I've never seen the 00 number change ever.

[DildoDez]

My problem is quite the opposite. The target percentage on my club adders and ladders is 86% but its actual percentage is 6540%.

lmao!!! why do we never find any of them in the wild?

[DildoDez]

FWIW, I removed the percentage key from my psycho cash beast genesis and pushed over the top 4 switches on the MPU so it now says DOOR 98.00 instead of DOOR 78.00.

I cleared the short term stats and after about 2000 plays it says Target 98.00 - Actual 101.00 so I don't think you need a percentage key. It seems to want to pay a lot instead of the tight ass machine it was.

No...really?! Obviously a machine set to pay out 98% of what goes in it will pay out a lot more than a machine set to pay out 78%. So it would have to be less tight! Hell, even Vivids would play well on 98/99%!!

[jweaver]

Out of interest, how do a machine handle a % change.

Say its been running happily at 78% (like mine) for years, and its in/out are:

In: 913049
Out: 720010
%: 78.85

(I assume that this is £9130, althought as it ends on a 9, it could be £91,340.90)


If you then increase the % to say 90%, what happens next.

If it uses the long term stats, then its got to get the out balance to something in the region of 821740 to get to 90%, so does it:

1. Go into 100% (or more) payout mode
2. Gradually increase the payout over time to get close to 90%
3. Not use these counters and use 'short term' ones to achieve this %


Jon

[skabaz]

jweaver

your meter readings are £91304.90 total cash in.
£72001.00 total cash out.

total money this machine has made in profit in its lifetime is £19303.90.

the machine has to be played on a regular basis to reach its target % if you have changed it as its not an instant change.

the machine looks at the meter readings and will slowly reach its new %.

baz

[mack]

No...really?! Obviously a machine set to pay out 98% of what goes in it will pay out a lot more than a machine set to pay out 78%. So it would have to be less tight! Hell, even Vivids would play well on 98/99%!!

I know I was stating the obvious but I was kind of trying to answer the OP's question of whether there was a difference between using a percentage key or simply removing it and using the dips on the MPU.