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[Frenzic]

I play machines such as holy moley in my local arcade.
Games with the option for normal, super and mega spin.

For those who are not familiar, they all cost 10p, but normal spins have 100% chance of spiniing, while mega has
30% chance of hitting the target and spinning, but all numbers on win line are then x4.

What is more cash efficient, normal or mega, if it makes a difference?
And what do you guys prefer?

[tigerboytony11]

It will not make any difference at all what option you use. If ALL spins are 10p each, then really you have nothing to loose whether you play normal or mega, though I am suprised that mega spins are only 10p too. All you will find by playing mega spins is that you will probably enter the feature MORE times than playing normal, but it will NOT make any difference to the outcome of the machine.

If you play a dual stake machine (DOND, Take It Or Leave It, Monopoly etc) you will see by playing 25p you will only play the middle line, 50p will play all 5 winlines, and £1 will play all 5 winlines with enhanced features (all features will be red enabling repeat chance, the main game will usually open up straight away etc), but believe me, playing these stakes will NOT make the machine give you MORE chance of a HUGE win. The machine is programmed to payout when it reaches it's desired level, and regardless what stake you use, when this level is reached, then it WILL pay out. All that will happen is YOU find MORE of your money will leave your pocket quicker by playing the higher stakes, and this will be exactly the same with normal or mega spins.

So, to answer your question, if they all cost 10p each, play mega spins, you will find you enter feature a few more times than normal, that will be the only difference. If Mega's were to cost 20p, then I would stay on normal, as like I said, it would make no difference to payout. It depends on how much enjoyment you want on the machine whilst playing it, and if you want your money to last a little bit longer in your possesion. Hope that helps.

[gemini17]

It will not make any difference at all what option you use. If ALL spins are 10p each, then really you have nothing to loose whether you play normal or mega, though I am suprised that mega spins are only 10p too. All you will find by playing mega spins is that you will probably enter the feature MORE times than playing normal, but it will NOT make any difference to the outcome of the machine.

If you play a dual stake machine (DOND, Take It Or Leave It, Monopoly etc) you will see by playing 25p you will only play the middle line, 50p will play all 5 winlines, and £1 will play all 5 winlines with enhanced features (all features will be red enabling repeat chance, the main game will usually open up straight away etc), but believe me, playing these stakes will NOT make the machine give you MORE chance of a HUGE win. The machine is programmed to payout when it reaches it's desired level, and regardless what stake you use, when this level is reached, then it WILL pay out. All that will happen is YOU find MORE of your money will leave your pocket quicker by playing the higher stakes, and this will be exactly the same with normal or mega spins.

So, to answer your question, if they all cost 10p each, play mega spins, you will find you enter feature a few more times than normal, that will be the only difference. If Mega's were to cost 20p, then I would stay on normal, as like I said, it would make no difference to payout. It depends on how much enjoyment you want on the machine whilst playing it, and if you want your money to last a little bit longer in your possesion. Hope that helps.

Tony you obv havnt played the slots mate!
The spin up from normal spin can cost anything from the stake to a £1 and more,as when you press start the light on a wheel feature has to hit a section to spin the reels.

Ive played a similar slot and it once cost me £2 to spin the reels and then I didnt get a board
Playing on the mega spin mode does give xtra chances to get on the feature board and at a higher level(with the x4 in place)
Yet there is no guarentee of you winning on that spin,no more than there is you playing at any of the levels of play.
The percentage dont change on a 10p slot,what ever level you play it at.Unlike the £35/£70 slots where you have multi stake features,which do pay at a higher% the greater the stake.

Jay

[tigerboytony11]

I have played the slots mate. I own my own machines so know exactly how the games work. Multiple stake machines make NO difference wats so ever to the payouts.

As I said above, playing on a higher stake or mega spins, ONLY increases your chances of getting onto the feature board MORE. You cannot be expected to go into an arcade, see a multiple stake machine which says 25p = 1 line, 50p = 3 lines, and £1 = 5 lines and think I'd better only play 25p stake cus I get better value for money. It doesn't work like that. You see that £1 stake gives you 5 winlines, so you think yes I'm going to play that because I'm guaranteed to get a bigger payout. Thats what the machine programmers and owners WANT you to think.

In reality, that machine is programmed to pay out when it reaches it's desired target. You stick £1 in a machine, thats £1 closer to it's target before it starts to seriously pay out, but you do not know when that target WILL be reached. So playing on a £1 stake IS NOT going to suddenly say to the machine, PAY OUT. All playing the £1 stake will do is give you MORE feature chances. You'll find that maybe within 3 spins you will be in the board, whereas on a 25p stake, it may take 10 spins to get into a board. On a £1 stake, you'll usually find all features and cash are red already, on a 25p stake, you will have to work harder to turn the values and features red.

If you want to get a good payout, it is really down to the individual player. If you play for fun and enjoyment, and just put in, say £4, then anything over the £4 you have put in is a bonus, and a win to the player, he'll think yep, I'm up, I'm coming off. Do this on a few machines, he can leave with about £20 for about £8 stake. If you've got a serious player, who just wants Jackpot or Mega Streak, the pounds will soon leave his pocket, and he will keep playing the higher stake thinking it will drop, it will drop, when in reality it won't. It is still going to take him the amount needed to reach that target. Every £1 inserted will add to this total.

You probably think I'm talking waffle mate, but owning machines, you get to see exactly how these things work. I have multiple stakes on all of them, and play them on all 3 levels. I have had Mega Streak on all 3 stakes, and it makes no difference to when that Streak kicks in, and also makes no difference to how much it pays out. I tried it with an experiment of £100 per stake. It took 100 spins to reach it on £1 stake, 200 spins to reach it on 50p stake, and 400 spins to reach it on 25p stake. Never the less it still took £100 to reach the Mega Streak. Like I say, it really comes down to the individual player. If he goes round a board on a £1 stake, and gets between £25-£40 flash up, and decides to take it, he stands a better chance of coming off with a win, rather than thinking its going to drop, because if you leave that, and carry on, you WILL loose it. If he goes round a board on a 25p stake, and gets between £15-£20 flash up and thinks no im going to leave that, because it will pay out in a minute, then it really is wishful thinking.

[nails]

It will not make any difference at all what option you use. If ALL spins are 10p each, then really you have nothing to loose whether you play normal or mega, though I am suprised that mega spins are only 10p too. All you will find by playing mega spins is that you will probably enter the feature MORE times than playing normal, but it will NOT make any difference to the outcome of the machine.

If you play a dual stake machine (DOND, Take It Or Leave It, Monopoly etc) you will see by playing 25p you will only play the middle line, 50p will play all 5 winlines, and £1 will play all 5 winlines with enhanced features (all features will be red enabling repeat chance, the main game will usually open up straight away etc), but believe me, playing these stakes will NOT make the machine give you MORE chance of a HUGE win. The machine is programmed to payout when it reaches it's desired level, and regardless what stake you use, when this level is reached, then it WILL pay out. All that will happen is YOU find MORE of your money will leave your pocket quicker by playing the higher stakes, and this will be exactly the same with normal or mega spins.

So, to answer your question, if they all cost 10p each, play mega spins, you will find you enter feature a few more times than normal, that will be the only difference. If Mega's were to cost 20p, then I would stay on normal, as like I said, it would make no difference to payout. It depends on how much enjoyment you want on the machine whilst playing it, and if you want your money to last a little bit longer in your possesion. Hope that helps.

love it when ppl talk bollox - and think their right....

[nails]

I have played the slots mate. I own my own machines so know exactly how the games work. Multiple stake machines make NO difference wats so ever to the payouts.

As I said above, playing on a higher stake or mega spins, ONLY increases your chances of getting onto the feature board MORE. You cannot be expected to go into an arcade, see a multiple stake machine which says 25p = 1 line, 50p = 3 lines, and £1 = 5 lines and think I'd better only play 25p stake cus I get better value for money. It doesn't work like that. You see that £1 stake gives you 5 winlines, so you think yes I'm going to play that because I'm guaranteed to get a bigger payout. Thats what the machine programmers and owners WANT you to think.

In reality, that machine is programmed to pay out when it reaches it's desired target. You stick £1 in a machine, thats £1 closer to it's target before it starts to seriously pay out, but you do not know when that target WILL be reached. So playing on a £1 stake IS NOT going to suddenly say to the machine, PAY OUT. All playing the £1 stake will do is give you MORE feature chances. You'll find that maybe within 3 spins you will be in the board, whereas on a 25p stake, it may take 10 spins to get into a board. On a £1 stake, you'll usually find all features and cash are red already, on a 25p stake, you will have to work harder to turn the values and features red.

If you want to get a good payout, it is really down to the individual player. If you play for fun and enjoyment, and just put in, say £4, then anything over the £4 you have put in is a bonus, and a win to the player, he'll think yep, I'm up, I'm coming off. Do this on a few machines, he can leave with about £20 for about £8 stake. If you've got a serious player, who just wants Jackpot or Mega Streak, the pounds will soon leave his pocket, and he will keep playing the higher stake thinking it will drop, it will drop, when in reality it won't. It is still going to take him the amount needed to reach that target. Every £1 inserted will add to this total.

You probably think I'm talking waffle mate, but owning machines, you get to see exactly how these things work. I have multiple stakes on all of them, and play them on all 3 levels. I have had Mega Streak on all 3 stakes, and it makes no difference to when that Streak kicks in, and also makes no difference to how much it pays out. I tried it with an experiment of £100 per stake. It took 100 spins to reach it on £1 stake, 200 spins to reach it on 50p stake, and 400 spins to reach it on 25p stake. Never the less it still took £100 to reach the Mega Streak. Like I say, it really comes down to the individual player. If he goes round a board on a £1 stake, and gets between £25-£40 flash up, and decides to take it, he stands a better chance of coming off with a win, rather than thinking its going to drop, because if you leave that, and carry on, you WILL loose it. If he goes round a board on a 25p stake, and gets between £15-£20 flash up and thinks no im going to leave that, because it will pay out in a minute, then it really is wishful thinking.

time to knock you off your pedistoooool...

Early Barcrests and the such had an option for increased payout on the higher stake games, typically 2%. while you can argue normal stake/prize is not affected, the end result comes round much faster.

You probably think I'm talking waffle mate, but owning machines, you get to see exactly how these things work. I have multiple stakes on all of them, and play them on all 3 levels. I have had Mega Streak on all 3 stakes, and it makes no difference to when that Streak kicks in, and also makes no difference to how much it pays out. I tried it with an experiment of £100 per stake. It took 100 spins to reach it on £1 stake, 200 spins to reach it on 50p stake, and 400 spins to reach it on 25p stake. Never the less it still took £100 to reach the Mega Streak. Like I say, it really comes down to the individual player. If he goes round a board on a £1 stake, and gets between £25-£40 flash up, and decides to take it, he stands a better chance of coming off with a win, rather than thinking its going to drop, because if you leave that, and carry on, you WILL loose it. If he goes round a board on a 25p stake, and gets between £15-£20 flash up and thinks no im going to leave that, because it will pay out in a minute, then it really is wishful thinking.

maybe its just you who's not seen a different size streak from alternating between say 10p play and £1 spins. i'd say the difference in the streak size is collossal.

[gambogaz1]

What a load of bollox lol

For the OP's information in regards to reds, playing on megaspins was a must in order to win on reds in the £35 days. and playing a higher stake also gave a +6% bonus which made a massive difference.

All playing the £1 stake will do is give you MORE feature chances. You'll find that maybe within 3 spins you will be in the board, whereas on a 25p stake, it may take 10 spins to get into a board

Hows that more ? That example the quid stake has cost £3 for a feature the 25p has cost £2.50 for a feature so that would mean you get more chances on 25p for your money!? Quid stake just speeds things up but does have it's advantages at times.

[jaybee]

I think the original poster was talking about the Red Gaming machines that have the pre game gamble.

The ones where a mega spin multiples the numbers by 4, basically giving you a feature every time a number appears on the reels.

I play the £5 jackpots on the megaspin as 10p £5 Reds are such a slow game. I don't think you are worse off by playing on the 10p normal game, but be prepard for lots of dead spins on the reels!

[vectra666]

actually there is some true in what tigerboy,s sayin, cause i,ve a few examples of huge winnings on low stakes partytime double decker 25p 86%/50p88% option played 25p at 86% still coughed out £245 in one top board, and when rainbow riches could be played at 10p per line had £385 off a 5line/50p stake and anyways whats an extra 2% approx £1.40p per £70jp which has cost you an extra 50p per spin to play. i stick to the low stakes as with online slots, if they,re gonna pay they,re gonna pay just takes longer

[gambogaz1]

2% might not sound a great difference but on a compensated machine, if you look at the figures like this as an example

The machine has so far taken £45,000 over it's life span, It's paid out £35,000 so it's running at just under 78% payout which is it's set target, however you switch the stake to 50p for your +2% it's target % is now 80% but it's still only taken £45,000 and paid out £35,000 so it's target % is £1,000 behind it's payout. Obviously doesn't result in a sudden payout as it's a target over a large spin cycle but it's more likely to pay big far quicker.

[tigerboytony11]

Guys, I'm not going to start a national arguement over it, I'm not an expert, like I said, I own my own machines, all on multiple stake, have tried them all on the different stakes, and thats what I found to happen. The original question was is it better to play normal or mega spins, and from my experience, playing mega spins increases feature chances more than normal spins, but that is all. If the machine is set to pay out, then it will pay out regardless of what stake it is played on. I just find playing the £1 or mega spins, takes your money away quicker, but it is down to the individual player at the end of the day.

[nails]

I just find playing the £1 or mega spins, takes your money away quicker, but it is down to the individual player at the end of the day.

of course, the target % is achieved quicker.

[piesthecat]

I prefer just ordinary super spins due to the fact alot more chance of spinning the reels than mega spins and gives you the edge of x2 over normal spins.

[Taylor525]

I prefer Mega spins.. If you spin a any number, you're pretty much on the game (unless it gives you a 1 for a bonus and gives you boost!)

but even on a 10p play (like you say on Holy Moley), they can take £5+ without a game with the Jackpot being £5!!