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[DildoDez]

Before i begin, this post is aimed towards the casual gambler, not necesarilly the profesional gamler, with his forcing techniques et al.

Club Machines, the God-Like, tight-fisted bastards that they are, stand proudly in corners of clubs the UK over. Some have little cashpots, some do not. But which do you prefer? Personally i prefer a machine which has cashpots. This is because you can easilly tell if a cashpot has recently been won, and what the machine will play like if you put your £20 in. (i say £20 because unless you intend to force the bugger, £20 is a reasonable amount for a £100 JP machine) It doesn't indicate if a jackpot has been won recently, but then again how often do the cashpot clubbers pay the Jackpot? - They usually pay the Cashpot if they feel the need to pay big don't they? It is because of this little 'insight' i prefer them. a machine with a cashpot of £87.00 and a reserve of £1.20 is less likely to tempt you to change an extra tenner at the bar than one with both pots maxed out isn't it?
But then we have the Jackpot only machines, those with no cashpots. What use are they? They are like playing a machine blind. They tell you NOTHING at a glance. you don't know if the jackpot has been dropped recently as their is nothing to tell you.
It is because of this that i feel more comfortable playing a club machine which has cashpots. If the pots are low i know to take small wins and accumulate them, if they are full i tend to try to get a little bit more each win. I don't know if this is sensible but i feel more confident. On a machine with no pots, i am not sure how to approach it. I was wondering which type of clubber other members of fruit-emu preferred.

[cliffc]

Hi Dez

Sorry to disolusion you but cash pots mean diddly squat I used to work in a Bingo hall with 2 clubbers both had cash pots on them, as soon as one dropped we got out the keys as soon as the suck er sorry punters left and put the pots back up to max, that way no one knew that thay had dropped and thay would carry on pumping the dosh into them. Now I am not saying all clubs will do this but if they have the keys and the knowlage to do I would think most club owners / commitie's would do this as soon as possible so as to maximise income.

Cliff C

[DildoDez]

I meant this in a way that the machines are operated fairly. I know that the clubs i play in are fair because you often see cashpots that have been won and they are just left to accumulate normally. The people behind the bar are also rather old and wouldnt know a dip switch from a dip stick if u know what i mean. If you know that the club you play in resets the cashpots to the max when they have been won it would be like playing a machine with no cashpots and i would treat it as such.

[ady]

DD this is a real good post....

Loads of times I have seen a machine with nowt in the Pot and thought "Ahhh it's done it's bit"---"But it's a payer", then I see another full and I then think "It's tight-and it won't drop".....Which one do I play?

I had a PE No1 'till last month and toggled with this and it - as far as I could see - made no difference to the payout on normal play......Then I have done my boot's (big time) trying to force C&R on a ship which didn't want to know, eg over £300 on a £200 pot not accepting any wins what-so-ever with no results.....yet playing normally (exclude the CP) I would have been a lot less down considering a couple of offerings I had been given.

Hope this gets a few replies....Very interesting

[nails]

machines like temple of treasure club, big brother and club psycho cash beast, have cashpots also. Just becasue you cant see an alpha display with it on screen, they are still there.

IMHO the pot drops every 750-1000 pounds cycled through. i know this coz i got a CPCB next to me that just dropped. £250jp + £200 CP + £50 current pot, a cool £500 run on a barcrest £250 30p 82% machine.

but to answer your question, no i hate (other than good old cops n robs) machines like CTYP with cashpots. I forced club red hot roll for the jakcpot, it cost me £2,500!!!!!! and the cashpot had gone up £80. no comparison there :-(

[RoadRunner]

What about trying to get a cashpot on an older clubber like Action club or Pontoon Club.

Getting a cashpot on one of these is like rocking horse shit!

- Non existant!

[DildoDez]

machines like temple of treasure club, big brother and club psycho cash beast, have cashpots also. Just becasue you cant see an alpha display with it on screen, they are still there.

IMHO the pot drops every 750-1000 pounds cycled through. i know this coz i got a CPCB next to me that just dropped. £250jp + £200 CP + £50 current pot, a cool £500 run on a barcrest £250 30p 82% machine.

but to answer your question, no i hate (other than good old cops n robs) machines like CTYP with cashpots. I forced club red hot roll for the jakcpot, it cost me £2,500!!!!!! and the cashpot had gone up £80. no comparison there :-(

Im a bit taken aback by your first statement about hidden pots. Im not quite sure what you mean. Can you explain this please. And also, how do you know when it has paid these 'pots'? You sure it wasn't just happy and giving you double bar, and red seven wins?

[Bencrest]

Hmm...well, I think this comes from the 'hidden pot' theory on normal pub machines too. You must be aware that on pub machines, even with a £25 NON repeating jackpot, they have a tendancy to drop say £50 > £100 when ready?

Well, a club machine will basically do the same. Even though there is no visible cashpot, and the jackpot has no repeat chance, there is an additional 'streak' pot which is saved up for in parallel with the jackpot. This will normally be given in the form of afterplay, meaning that if you get the JP, it is not uncommon to get either another JP afterwards, or say several other high value wins in close succession.

Some manufacturers of machines make it occur more often than others though.

On a related topic though, has anyone played 'Your Lucky Knight' by JPM? £25 JP machine with a Cashpot and Reserve at a £25 maximum? Are they just the equivalent of a JP repeat, or like actual cashpots which not only accumulate over time but are paid out at any time?

BarcrestBenito

[PJ]

...I forced club red hot roll for the jakcpot, it cost me £2,500!!!!!! and the cashpot had gone up £80...

SHIT - I hope you were playing the emulation!... :scared:

[M1Adness]

More and more these days you have to take "cashpots" with a pinch of salt. BFM used to be the cashpot kings, until their dreaded "cashpot frequency dip switch" which basically wasn't frequency at all, it was a "pay cashpots/do not pay cashpots" switch, or at best "pay cashpots regularly/pay cashpots once every visit by Halley's Comet"

Now on their more recent clubbers including Cops and Robbers Gold there is a switch function to set cashpots to be jackpots. i.e. if you win the cashpot this is the same as winning the jackpot, not saved up for over a longer period of time as before like with a true cashpot. The value goes straight back to £250 (or the JP level it is set to) once you win it. They even print this as a feature to prospective owners on their flyers. JPM (and subsids) made similar machines in Casino Crazy/Royal Flush/Caesars Palace where the cashpot would be paid in a sequence with jackpots, e.g. JP, JP, CP, JP, CP, JP, JP etc.

You can thank the "play methods" of forcing cashpots on old Cops and Robbers for manufacturers making Cashpots ever more meaningless.

The only true club cashpot is one that is saved up for over many thousands of spins, not one that instantly resets to the JP value or increments up to the JP value within a few hundred spins. Anything else is just a JP in disguise (possibly one held back like an AWP streak pot). This includes CPCB, TOT, BBC - they are not true cashpots but high value play triggered wins.

Remember that contrary to popular belief cashpots were never "free wins", they were paid for by holding back a very small percentage of money in over a long period of time. The label "free win" was given because forcing the cashpot didn't affect the current gameplay too much as it was already paid for - but the win was never free, it had been previously paid for from percentage just like everything else is. Same with any wins/pots now, percentage is always king - whether it pays out depends on percentage not the illusion of a cashpot or jackpot. Keep an eye on those emulator meters

[hinchy]

Cashpots on older Barcrests used to take an eternity to get to max.
On my superblackjack, they used to take at least £10,000 to get back to max from dropping the pot
BFM's and JPM were a bit better and filled up a lot quicker