I am wondering why the mpu5 machines haven't been emulated yet. Now I know its illegal etc to host the roms but to emulate the technology isn't if the bleem playstation emulation set president. I have seen many quotes like "maybe when mpu6 comes out" etc but what the hell does that mean? You think cos its old technology that thecompany is going to give you the circuit diagrams or something? Take a look at the famous 68000 chip still used today or at least varients, emulation would still be in the dark ages if we waited for this to be replaced?
I am a big follower of mame and have been with the scene since it began way back when it only supported a half dozen games. Now they emulate far harder hardware from machines that are rarer and have less documentation on. Does MPU5 use some form of encryption with perhaps suicide rom chips? Not owning a fruit machine I have no clue to this. Unless they suddenly added a load of custom chips I can't see how emulating mpu5 is harder than mpu4. Can someone please enlighten me?
I think you guys have to look at it like this. You can sell a kitchen knife and 99% of people will use it to cut food, if someone takes a further step to use it to break the law can you be held responsible? Assuming you didn't sell it to a guy with a stammer, dodgy raincoat, a pronouced tick in his left eye and hate tattoed on his forehead. Breaking copyright is the user responsability to uphold. If someone copied a dvd could hmv be sued for supplying the original?
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Posted 29 April 2004 - 11:42 AM
http://www.fruit-emu...13ff4329c1ad9ce
This link will explain it to you.
If you look to the left there is an'ENTER FORUMS' Tab........click this and theres a search tool too
This link will explain it to you.
If you look to the left there is an'ENTER FORUMS' Tab........click this and theres a search tool too
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Posted 29 April 2004 - 11:47 AM
yep i read that but its extremely vague...
the main questions I am after is...
what form of protection does mpu5 use if any?
why is it illegal to emulate a machine? I thought bleem proved it wasn't
and why doesn't the scene take a leaf out of mame's book, it certainly seems to work well for them with their user agreement?
The thing that really baffles me is how on earth can emulation ruin the fruit machine industry? It has no comparison. To gamble is in the hope of aquiring money ie a profit. This is impossible on an emulator? If anything knowing a machine cos you played it on an emulator is more likey to make you spend a few quid on it as you pass one in a pub? The only way it could possibly damage it is if the machine in question is shite? then its the producers fault for producing the garbage. Here's an idea for barcrest etc... maybe i'm crazy but... make a real good, fun, fair but profitable machine and give it to the scene to play and test. Then I suspect a lot of people will play the real machine to test their luck and skill? Would surely be better than producing the modern crap that needs no skill and just gifts a jackpot when its taken a set amount of cash. I don't play modern machines not because I don't want to gamble, because they are garbage. I play the old ones that are usually emulated because I tend to know the machines, they tend to be fun ie combine some skill, strategy and luck, and that I know that i am likely to get a few features, wins and enjoyment out of say £10. Now look at modern machines and tell me whats going wrong.
Sorry rant over lol
the main questions I am after is...
what form of protection does mpu5 use if any?
why is it illegal to emulate a machine? I thought bleem proved it wasn't
and why doesn't the scene take a leaf out of mame's book, it certainly seems to work well for them with their user agreement?
The thing that really baffles me is how on earth can emulation ruin the fruit machine industry? It has no comparison. To gamble is in the hope of aquiring money ie a profit. This is impossible on an emulator? If anything knowing a machine cos you played it on an emulator is more likey to make you spend a few quid on it as you pass one in a pub? The only way it could possibly damage it is if the machine in question is shite? then its the producers fault for producing the garbage. Here's an idea for barcrest etc... maybe i'm crazy but... make a real good, fun, fair but profitable machine and give it to the scene to play and test. Then I suspect a lot of people will play the real machine to test their luck and skill? Would surely be better than producing the modern crap that needs no skill and just gifts a jackpot when its taken a set amount of cash. I don't play modern machines not because I don't want to gamble, because they are garbage. I play the old ones that are usually emulated because I tend to know the machines, they tend to be fun ie combine some skill, strategy and luck, and that I know that i am likely to get a few features, wins and enjoyment out of say £10. Now look at modern machines and tell me whats going wrong.
Sorry rant over lol
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Posted 29 April 2004 - 12:05 PM
yep i read that but its extremely vague...
the main questions I am after is...
what form of protection does mpu5 use if any?
why is it illegal to emulate a machine? I thought bleem proved it wasn't
and why doesn't the scene take a leaf out of mame's book, it certainly seems to work well for them with their user agreement?
Emulators/decryptors etc do exist somewhere,
Due to the fact the FME scene tries respecting manufactures by only hosting the 'older' machines they use the Emulated tech only, so to be honest I don't know why we are interested at present. One day it'll show it's face and we'll have a whole new breed of goodies.....but when that day we be????
To answer the second question, it's best to read this as you will see loads of different opinions.
http://www.fruit-emu...2a2d291bbcd58f5
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Posted 29 April 2004 - 04:52 PM
FME emulation, a brief history. sort of....
In the biginning, the very first emulators created for fruit machines were created specifically for their creators to make money. They were hoping to sell these emulators for financial gain to pro gamblers and the likes. Obviously, no one would buy an emulator to play older machines so the first emulators emulated current technology which back then was MPU4 and Impact.
The manufacturers made it known that they would 'persue' the authors of these emulators if money was to be made from them. So, the emulators were released for no charge and the fledgling scene was born.
This alone is the reason why Impact was and is available in an emulator even though it's only recently been dropped as a current technology. Steps were in place so Impact wasn't abused but shit happened and next thing, new machines were emulated and understandably, the author turned his back on the scene for it's blatent regard for shortermism.
Obviously, the motives for creating emulators has changed considerably due to the creators not being able to gain financially from them so theres no marketable advantage for them to persue the emulation of MPU5 or any other current tech. Add to that all the hassle that Impact has brought it's author and the scene in general, surely it would be safer and less stressful to persue the emulation of technologies that are not only dead and buried but may incur the long needed assistance from an industry that at present hate everything our scene stand for.
Hopefully, in a year or so, when Impact is deemed as a dead and buried tech by the manufacturers, the members of this scene should no longer have the opportunity to gain ammunition to constantly cause the hassles we see on almost a daily basis. Hopefully, with a scene that no longer poses a constant threat to the manufacturers, they may one day aid in our assistance in re-creating lost classic machines for all to benefit including themselves. They are the magical times. Lets hope and wait and see what happens.
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In the biginning, the very first emulators created for fruit machines were created specifically for their creators to make money. They were hoping to sell these emulators for financial gain to pro gamblers and the likes. Obviously, no one would buy an emulator to play older machines so the first emulators emulated current technology which back then was MPU4 and Impact.
The manufacturers made it known that they would 'persue' the authors of these emulators if money was to be made from them. So, the emulators were released for no charge and the fledgling scene was born.
This alone is the reason why Impact was and is available in an emulator even though it's only recently been dropped as a current technology. Steps were in place so Impact wasn't abused but shit happened and next thing, new machines were emulated and understandably, the author turned his back on the scene for it's blatent regard for shortermism.
Obviously, the motives for creating emulators has changed considerably due to the creators not being able to gain financially from them so theres no marketable advantage for them to persue the emulation of MPU5 or any other current tech. Add to that all the hassle that Impact has brought it's author and the scene in general, surely it would be safer and less stressful to persue the emulation of technologies that are not only dead and buried but may incur the long needed assistance from an industry that at present hate everything our scene stand for.
Hopefully, in a year or so, when Impact is deemed as a dead and buried tech by the manufacturers, the members of this scene should no longer have the opportunity to gain ammunition to constantly cause the hassles we see on almost a daily basis. Hopefully, with a scene that no longer poses a constant threat to the manufacturers, they may one day aid in our assistance in re-creating lost classic machines for all to benefit including themselves. They are the magical times. Lets hope and wait and see what happens.
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