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[Bencrest]

I thought I'd share this with you all - apologies for the terrible photo, phone doesn't have a flash, it's in a very dark pub and also I was taking the picture without attracting attention. If you can't see, it looks kinda like the old Reflex S16 games (Fortune 500 e.t.c.)...

A very quiet, local pub have just stuck this machine into their new games area. Previously they had a Red Gaming ' Bonkers ' on £25 (which I may well be taking off their hands, they want £50 but I'm sure I can haggle them down a bit), but now they've got this, and a shiny new IND:E based SWP.

... is this what the gaming industry is resorting to, in the latest 'pushing of boundaries' exercise? I can only assume that, with it being 20 winlines, they are assuming that each 'winline' is one 'game', and therefore you aren't playing a £200 jackpot, you are playing 'up to 20 games, each game costs 10p with a potential jackpot of £20'. Maximum price per spin is £2, minimum appears to be 50p but I didn't get a proper look, you might be able to pick individual winlines or you might not.

It looks incredibly weird, and while I didn't play it, the landlord informed me that :

You have a spin (however many winlines you want).
The machine tells you how many 'wins' you've got, based on how the reels land.
You then have to skill-stop the LED display (you can make it out at the bottom right of my terrible photo) onto whichever winline(s) have wins on - if you do that, it pays the win to you.

The bit I really don't like is that there is no mention of percentage at all. As I've brought up in the past, SWPs can be set as low as 30% payout, and don't have to display this to the player (which I think is disgusting - why is it a fruit machine has to display it, but an SWP doesn't?).

I might put £1 in just to see how it works but that's it, simply out of interest (because it is new and does look unusual) but I still can't believe the level the industry is sinking to.

What's next? Raising the Category C jackpot to £200 just to compete with machines like this? Probably will be with the idiots in charge.

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[hurricane]

It will turn out to be one of those machines were if you win, the first thing that will get said to you is 'You're Barred'.

[Bencrest]

It will turn out to be one of those machines were if you win, the first thing that will get said to you is 'You're Barred'.

Lol, probably not with me being a friend of the family (well, kinda), but it's also a very brave move, these rural pubs often get hit by machine thieves... which is probably another reason why many of them opt for £5 jackpots.

I used to go in more often when they had 2 x £5 machines, a 'Let the Good Times Roll', and one by Empire, 'Big Cash Machine' I think it was.

[hurricane]

Lol, probably not with me being a friend of the family (well, kinda), but it's also a very brave move, these rural pubs often get hit by machine thieves... which is probably another reason why many of them opt for £5 jackpots.

I used to go in more often when they had 2 x £5 machines, a 'Let the Good Times Roll', and one by Empire, 'Big Cash Machine' I think it was.

I'd love to go into a pub were all they had were £5 JP's. But i guess it would take them a while to make any profit, unless they are being tight with the %.

[Bencrest]

I'd love to go into a pub were all they had were £5 JP's. But i guess it would take them a while to make any profit, unless they are being tight with the %.

Out here, £5 machines do pretty well.

I know of several quiet village pubs (I tend to prefer village pubs) who were making losses on their old £25 machines because of the rental and license - when you consider rental of say £30>£40p/w and license costs of about £2 per day, the machine needs to take £50 profit a week (as an example) to break even before electricity costs, e.t.c.

To take £50p/w you need the machine (which is obviously set to pay out at least 70% of all money back to players) to be getting £200 a week throughput.

When you are talking about a pub full of old boys who are disillusioned with modern machines, it doesn't take a genius to see that often the machines cost the pub money to run rather than making them an income.

So, quite a few got rid of their fruit machines, and often lost their pool tables and jukeboxes in the process and many of them were on linked rentals (and again, pool tables out here take bugger all in the villages, darts is more popular)... so they bought £5 machines, bought pool tables for say £300, and then kept all the money that came from them.

[gambogaz1]

My local pub has just a £5 machine. King kebab at the moment, they've had Rat pack,Inchadinchadoo,holy smoke & prizefighter in the past. The landlady refuses to pay AMLD since it went up when the £35 came out 2 years ago.

[roderz]

Found a better pic...

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[Bencrest]

Found a better pic...

Excellent, cheers!

[stanmarsh14]

Seen this before @ a cafe on Eagle Centre Market, in Derby.

Right 'orrible thing it is.

[Bencrest]

Seen this before @ a cafe on Eagle Centre Market, in Derby.

Right 'orrible thing it is.

Looks it... just hope they don't start sticking this kind of rubbish into take-aways for kids to play, we've had quite a few of the SWP 'fruit machines' go into them recently, normally on £40/£50 JP.

Just realised as well, my maths in my first post is crap, I've put '20 winlines, 10p play, £20 jackpot' whereas of course that would add up to a £400 jackpot. It should say '£10 jackpot'.

Apologies for that little lapse

[niallquinn]

Look at Spa's vids, he drops the .5k one.

[stanmarsh14]

Looks it... just hope they don't start sticking this kind of rubbish into take-aways for kids to play, we've had quite a few of the SWP 'fruit machines' go into them recently, normally on £40/£50 JP.

Just realised as well, my maths in my first post is crap, I've put '20 winlines, 10p play, £20 jackpot' whereas of course that would add up to a £400 jackpot. It should say '£10 jackpot'.

Apologies for that little lapse

This one in Derby has been there, best part of a year, though they have resentaly removed it.

Think I have also seen some clones of these in kebab shops in Derby too, so it's not looking good.... Bit like saying S16's are random, which we all know is bollocks, with the soft / hard profiles.

SWP????..... Shit With Peril

[lockley100]

Is this one of those where how much pressure you press the 'skill' button with determines how high up it goes?

[ziggy]

There is no way that machine is really a SWP.As Ben said its a Fortune 500 clone.

b3 machine/s16 or whatever they call em nowadays.

Should be MASSIVE duty on that,but if they lie and declare it a SWP, then none.

[wowiac]

i have come across one in a tattoo parlour

Anyone know who manufactures these machines?

Yeah SWP means that not only are they cheaper to run that Gaming machines but they also can be used in any premise

[roderz]

Is this one of those where how much pressure you press the 'skill' button with determines how high up it goes?

I know the one you mean, just got one in my local chinky
found a pic of it here..
Skill bar 7's skill game

Quite strange to play at first with that weird button that goes down about 2 inches - even took the skin of my knuckle!, but I did get the feeling that I had 'some' control

Actually did quite well, managed to line up a few £1 wins on 10p stake, then got a mystery (on 50p stake) which gave a feature that played a bit like 'whack a mole' but using the lamp buttons and managed a decent win of about £15, quite tricky & you have to be quite fast
walked with 20 profit;) not bad for £2 in!

quite an Amusing Skill machine With Profit - new category of machine? LOL

Might have a go again now I've read the instructions on the manu's site

[kdservices]

has anyone else seen one of these

a pub in the town has got one in , the landlord says its licence free.

photo from manufactuer

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[nails]

has anyone else seen one of these

a pub in the town has got one in , the landlord says its licence free.

photo from manufactuer

care to share with us where you found it.

[voodoomau5]

used to have one in an arcade around here called "skill tower" i think and a paragon, now they've been replaced with some ancient looking skill ball bingo type machine where the snowball is 40 quid if you get all the numbers in like under 40 secs

[james2k2]

This reminds me of what we just got in at work. We've just had a refit of all the arcade machines (changed lease company) and one of them is a Deal or No Deal Skill. No reels. I was confused at first and thought 'what the hell is that' Now i've looked at it, it seems to be a clone of a 'Skill Bingo' game discussed above. You have 16 boxes i think with random numbers in and you have to 'Deal' on the matching numbers on the alpha and 'No Deal' and the non-matching ones. You get points for each match and then when you have reached the set target, you get made a money offer by the 'banker'.

I've not read the instructions on it, so don't hold me to what i've said but that's what it looks like. Not seen anybody win on it yet.