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[wayne123]

Let me first state although I may sound like an old man - Im 34, so not quite ready for the knackads yards yet - according to the govment ive got another 35+ years of working to go yet!!

 

anyhow my point is the ease of gambling this day and age,

 

Ive gone through the gambling stage, slots, roulette etc, but I have HAD to made an effort to exercise my vice, but im really concerned of how easy gambling has become, infact now its encouraged

 

I really find it hard to believe that we see adverts now on TV where it seems acceptable to have a spin on a slot, buy a few bingo cards, or take a punt on a horse with an easy click on the computer, infact it's encourage to use your phone to do it, while waiting for the bus

 

my question is, and asking for your point of view is

 

Do you think it is a social norm, or do you think it is a problem, when you fancy and actually stake some money on a slot on your mobile, cause there is nothing better to do i.e. waiting for a bus / train etc

Edited by wayne123, 05 December 2013 - 08:18 PM.

[policematrix]

Let me first state although I may sound like an old man - Im 34, so not quite ready for the knackads yards yet - according to the govment ive got another 35+ years of working to go yet!!

 

anyhow my point is the ease of gambling this day and age,

 

Ive gone through the gambling stage, slots, roulette etc, but I have HAD to made an effort to exercise my vice, but im really concerned of how easy gambling has become, infact now its encouraged

 

I really find it hard to believe that we see adverts now on TV where it seems acceptable to have a spin on a slot, buy a few bingo cards, or take a punt on a horse with an easy click on the computer, infact it's encourage to use your phone to do it, while waiting for the bus

 

my question is, and asking for your point of view is

 

Do you think it is a social norm, or do you think it is a problem, when you fancy and actually stake some money on a slot on your mobile, cause there is nothing better to do i.e. waiting for a bus / train etc

I personally think gambling to be worst than drug addiction (let me explain)

Lets imagine you have a crack habit now im no expert on these things but i imagine there is a limit on how much 1 addict could spend in 1 day , due to being as high as they can be or whatever but also due to availability of the drug and the drug dealer 

OK lets compare it to gambling on say a fruity , the one in our town is open 24/7 and there is no limit on how much 1 addict could spend , the staff will not say "wait are you sure you want another £200 in coins" instead they will give you free food and drinks to keep you there (or trap you) Now again im no expert but I know even on the old friendlier fruitys with £15 pot I could bang in say £80 in say 30 mins I have no idea about £75 jackpots but I cant imagine it being better 

 

So the point is drugs have natural limits that will limit spending whereas fruitys have no such limits and you can empty any sized bank account or kids collage fund , yet it is advertised like a bit of fun .

My suggestion would be 

1 ban advertising of gambling 

2 ban all kiddie fruit machines (example the simpsons)

3 Make the roms work as a proper gambling game rather than a pre meditated show in which the user presses a button to watch.

 

They could do a lot more but I do think the responsibility remains with the adult  BUT it should not be portrayed as harmless fun when in reality it can become the worst addiction you will ever have and can break up happy families etc 

 

From my own experience I would happily ban all gambling but flat out bans never work for anything so education would be the best option I dont think i ever saw a gov advert telling of the dangers of gambling , They seem to think people still use matches =)

[vectra666]

You will never stop gambling it's been with us since the dawn of time even crossing or driving on the roads a gamble sometimes, but the advertisement needs to be banned on tv. It's on everything mostly aimed at housewives on soaps, bet365 sponsors this tombola on that, foxy bingo on Jeremy Kyle, bet on your Mobile mfortune play roulette now. All these are designed to get more punters to gamble and be addicted. Gambling is worse than drugs as said above no limit to the amount you spend also leads to violence as on kicking machines when lost or theft to fund the addiction, both I admit i've done in the past to fund my problem.
Another thing is lottery as said before you can't gamble or play bingo or even buy a raffle ticket for booze till 18 so why can you gamble on the lottery and scratch cards at 16.
With the machine jackpots going up to £100 early in the new year this will make the problem worse, how much will they take to win that amount probably in excess of £500

[richy1976]

The fun factor went out of machines around 20 years ago when it went all cash.

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[stevedude2]

Like many I also think gambling adverts should be banned from TV, and certainly before 9pm.  Now don't get me wrong I love a gamble but when I'm sat watching football at 2pm on a Sunday, the last thing I want to see is Ray Winstone's fat f*****g face telling me what the odds are on Jurgen von Schneidburger to score the next goal, nor do I want to see Babs f*****g Windsor advertising the new Cheeky-Naughty-Harmless-Fun way to spend your child support-Bingo.com website as I'm watching Home Alone at tea-time.  It's invasive advertising and it shouldn't be allowed.  A person, whether an addict or not, should be safe in their own home from having temptation put in their way in this manner.

 

On the subject of B2 games in LBO's - they should be removed as well, or the stakes limited.  You shouldn't be able to walk into a bookies off the street and stake £100 every 20 seconds on a video roulette game.  If you want to do that, you can make a conscious decision to go to a casino.  The amount of money people are allowed to spend on a casual punt is far too much and it ruins lives.  Yet the Industry still maintains that (quoted from the front of this week's Coin-Slot) 'there is little factual evidence to back up the scaremongering that has led to the machines being dubbed the crack cocaine of gambling', and that 'empirical research needs to be done to prove their alleged addictive qualities.'  They will fight tooth and nail to preserve what they have at the expense of others, and with a great deal of sanctimoniousness along the way.

[altharic]

Making gambling so easy was the worst thing a labour government ever did bar sell our gold for three marbles and a shirt button.

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[stevedude2]

Making gambling so easy was the worst thing a labour government ever did bar sell our gold for three marbles and a shirt button.

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But with no money coming in from cigarettes any more, the government had to find something to tax the f*** out of.  When this well runs dry what are they going to turn to next I wonder?

[altharic]

Steve they actually cut tax on gambling.

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[nails]

the goverment ist stupid, with GPT making 20% of the 1.55 billion, its not going to back down.

[stevedude2]

Steve they actually cut tax on gambling.

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That's because they can afford to, now they have made gambling so prevalent and so much a part of people's every day lives.  They were taxing the Amusement and Bingo sector to the hilt, and once that industry began to shrink and decline, the next option was to allow for the increased marketing and expansion of other forms of gambling.  In the past they have granted casino licenses, allowed LBOs to infest high-streets and housing estates, and allowed gambling adverts to be shown on TV during the day.  They have even allowed dedicated TV gambling channels to operate, all because of the tax revenue it generates.  They have gone beyond making gambling accessible to people who wish to participate in a 'bit of harmless fun', to pushing it in people's faces.  It's completely unsustainable.  When you've got communities uniting in protest against yet another betting shop opening up on a street where there are already 3, you know you've gone too far or at least reached saturation point.  And the only argument the LBO chains have in their defence is that 'this new shop will create 8 jobs for the local community'.  c***s to a man.

[policematrix]

I think in some towns they are now restricting the max bet to £10 a play , which is still a lot of money but at least they are doing something .

I have been addicted to tobacco and found it quite easy to stop , cocaine was another story but was hard to get hold of and again natural limits kicked in , but I was able to control the habit and it never got out of control (nearly did though) but fruities grabbed my balls and never let go I have never had something that made me spend ALL MY MONEY without even realising I had done it , it was not all gambling horses have no interest for me same as a casino but those fruitys with their cool sound FX got me bad and when I say bad I mean as bad as it can get , stealing money , getting into debt etc etc 

As they are not a random machine then they should not be classed as gambling machines , you have no control of the outcome it is already predefined ( at least it used to be not sure about new machines) 

Imagine your kid getting addicted or your wife , doesn't bare thinking about , I personally would support an outright ban or if not that a limit to how much 1 man can spend in a set amount of time (this could be monitored by having to insert your credit card to play or similar) 

[Magz]

Or just ban them altogether. If people have legitimately got the spare cash to blow on these machines then they should be putting it towards their pensions!