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[PacificOcean]

I don't know if this is just a London thing, but all the arcades seem to be replacing their AWP machines with all those low tech noughts and crosses and party time thingys. The bookies have also gotten rid of their machines in favour of those casino type affairs.

Are AWPs dying out?

[dave1de]

The bookies here aint yet, but the arcades are pratically all lo tech bar x crap, multi play party time type ones, a few £500 screen games and only a few awps.

The seaside is the place where the awps are

[ady]

Hmmmm Even that Casino's are on the game....


Went last Saturday.....Not One of the machines were 'proper'......they were all 198,000 liners there too

[DaemonX]

LOL @ 198,000 liners lol

I agree most arcades my way now have Party time Arena or something, Reno Casino, Monopoly some caribbean thing, Golden X or those bloody video machines.

[Zoltar]

I suppose you could argue that Lo-Tecs use less electricity due to them having less lamps. That would save the operator like millions of pounds....

When Lo-Tecs take up the fruit machine spot down the pubs, then I'd reckon for the AWP, it's GAME OVER.

Although I'm not totally sure that that isn't already the case.

[mythicos]

Are AWPs dying out?

Yep, sure are

[skabaz]

our arcade is split between the lo techs and section 16 machines in one room and hi tech awp's in another room as there is still a market for both.
baz

[skabaz]

oh and the pubs will never lose the hi tech awp as they are still making a bloody fortune on them.

baz

[dave1de]

Yep, sure are

As i said in my first post, they are not dieing out the seaside. I have never seen a lo tech in a pub before though lukily.

I think some awps are sort of comming back though with the new bell fruits like ROTK, Monopoly, ant n dec *shudder*.

The bell fruit monopoly is a great one though, best new machine since battle axe.

[skabaz]

we have also started to site machines called games warehouse awp.

it has pontoon,bar x,vegas slot and a hi lo game which pay at the usual 78% pub %.

this machine is touchscreen and is pc based.

baz

[moneymad martian]

I still am to see a lo-tech in a pub in Leeds. I shudder at the thought, and I know they are coming, but still have never seen one.

Lets not forget Barcrest are massive in the UK AWP market - no way on earth will we see the demise of the hi-tech just yet, or for years. They have so many more BKC clones to force on us before the hi-tech bites the preverbial!!!

Neil

[mythicos]

As i said in my first post, they are not dieing out the seaside. I have never seen a lo tech in a pub before though lukily.

I think some awps are sort of comming back though with the new bell fruits like ROTK, Monopoly, ant n dec *shudder*.

The bell fruit monopoly is a great one though, best new machine since battle axe.

Thats simple. machines at the seaside are usually lower stake and jp and thus dont require a license.

People paying for licenses just dont want awps anymore, theyre slower to take cash in because of all the games they have and lets face it, theyre f*****g SHIT now.
Noone wants to play them and thus they aint making no money.

Lo techs are cash cows man, always were..

The pros are all being beaten away from fruitys as the days go by leaving nothing left but munters and grannys to play, and they dont wanna play the latest AWPS cos theyre a heap of shit.

[mythicos]

I still am to see a lo-tech in a pub in Leeds. I shudder at the thought, and I know they are coming, but still have never seen one.

Lets not forget Barcrest are massive in the UK AWP market - no way on earth will we see the demise of the hi-tech just yet, or for years. They have so many more BKC clones to force on us before the hi-tech bites the preverbial!!!

Neil

Barcrest are owned by IGT (international gaming technology) who are the largest provider of casino slot machines in the US.

That means that slowly but surely they will end up with worldwide machines that all look and play the same, it simplifies it for them.

We have had section 16 machines in the US for years, the fact that you lot have them now just goes to show IGTs plans for barcrest which is basically to make and sell lo tech random machines.

Give it time, theyll drop the AWP like a lead balloon.

[moneymad martian]

Barcrest are owned by IGT (international gaming technology) who are the largest provider of casino slot machines in the US.

That means that slowly but surely they will end up with worldwide machines that all look and play the same, it simplifies it for them.

We have had section 16 machines in the US for years, the fact that you lot have them now just goes to show IGTs plans for barcrest which is basically to make and sell lo tech random machines.

Give it time, theyll drop the AWP like a lead balloon.

We have had hi-tech machines in the UK for years though - it is often said the UK AWP market is very mature and sophisticated - and (no offence) US customers do not like complicated machines to play - supply and demand is the principal any company works to. I predict that, 50 years from now and I put my one zillion Euro a week pension in a fruit machine in a pub, and still have change for fish and chips and a newspaper (lol - those were the days), that hi-tech machines will be more than a predominant part of the UK market. Long live the AWP!!!!

Neil

[mythicos]

We have had hi-tech machines in the UK for years though - it is often said the UK AWP market is very mature and sophisticated - and (no offence) US customers do not like complicated machines to play - supply and demand is the principal any company works to. I predict that, 50 years from now and I put my one zillion Euro a week pension in a fruit machine in a pub, and still have change for fish and chips and a newspaper (lol - those were the days), that hi-tech machines will be more than a predominant part of the UK market. Long live the AWP!!!!

Neil

Im british thanks lol..

As for the AWP market being mature and sophisticated well hardly, sales of fruit machines have never been so bad.

Do you know anything about the industry and whats been going on? might help to have a look about and find out because the way it looks the AWP has very little life left in it (and I predict bellfruit as the last man standing )

[moneymad martian]

Im british thanks lol..

As for the AWP market being mature and sophisticated well hardly, sales of fruit machines have never been so bad.

Do you know anything about the industry and whats been going on? might help to have a look about and find out because the way it looks the AWP has very little life left in it (and I predict bellfruit as the last man standing )

I had guessed you were British - and I am sorry my inferrence wasn't clearer.

I strongly, strongly disagree. I know who IGT are. I also know who owns Barcrest.

Machine sales are down. SO? What is actually happening - a flood of AWP machines into an already saturated market is having a knock on effect. THATS IT!!!! Do you not think it would recover? AWP machine sales may be down - thats because of every Tom Dick and Red Gaming (sorry IGT) have already flooded the market with constant clone after clone release. Seaside town arcades (a great AWP recycling ground) no longer need to buy the rebuilds. So what do we have? A factory full of AWP's without a home. And not enough customers in the UK to buy them. Over production. Hence my earlier statement - "supply and demand"

What will happen next? Will the UK market "dumb down" like the US always was? Get real, to coin a phrase. The AWP will be alive and kicking an awful lot longer than people seem to think. And I do know more than a little regarding the industry. Thanks for the advice however.

Neil

[skabaz]

As for the AWP market being mature and sophisticated well hardly, sales of fruit machines have never been so bad.

Do you know anything about the industry and whats been going on? might help to have a look about and find out because the way it looks the AWP has very little life left in it (and I predict bellfruit as the last man standing )


emm

please can you let me know where the evidence of this is.

i've been in the business for nearly 13 years and up in scotland anyway it booming.

also at the moment barcrest as the most stable company and i fear that bellfruit could be the next company to split as they seem to have invested in the touchscreen/swp industry and have been hit quite bad with bad design faults and the awp side seems to have fallen a bit with poor artwork and repetative games(mind you most companies are repeating themselves at the moment)
also i'm a bit confused with bellfruit at the moment as it looks like they have bought into global games with the trivia machine releases but the awp global machines are still epoch/eclipse tech.

baz

[mythicos]

please can you let me know where the evidence of this is.

OK.

First off JPM went tits up.
Sega were not making the cash they wanted to and so moved back into the pachislo market in japan.

Jpms former owners bought back JPM and nothing has come from them since.

Noone even knows what theyre up to.

Ace is now gone, their site is down and theyre not making any new machines.

Maygay has been bought out by barcrest as they too were not making any money and were in financial trouble.

Bell fruit were sold by Gaussleman group along with QPS and mazooma.

News articles said that Gaussleman were not making the revenue they wanted and predicted and so decided to call it a day, concentrating harder on their european interests (eurocoin and novagames) however, gaussleman were never into AWPs and were always a slot machine manufacturer.

Mazooma are knocking out countless clones of the same game, grandblaster cash, getting ziggy with it, jumpin jack cash and so on are all the same f*****g machine with the same f*****g code.
All they have done is change the decals and artwork and resampled the soundrom.

This shows that they are running out of ideas and a way to make the 25 quid awp playable.

Bell fruit are also knocking out tired out clones of the same tired out machine designs, a relabel, a rebadge and a new sound package and they have a new machine.

There hasnt been a single change for the better to awps in 4 years, ever since the 25 quid jp took root machines have sat stale, theyre all the same, theyre all watered down club machine code that plays awfully...

I could go on all night, thats just a small piece of it..

Im not saying that the AWP isnt being played or making the arcade owner money, it is, but youll find that lo techs make alot more money and last alot longer.

We'll see, Im still sticking with my prediction tho

[mythicos]

P.S with all the screams going around for real random machines and what could be a law on that the AWP will have terrible trouble trying to survive.

Even if they can come up with an AWP by the time they make it lawfully random it will be f*****g pointless.

Its VERY hard to make a machine that has choice on it random, as soon as you make a choice higher or lower random goes out the windee.

[mythicos]

Global did not join maygay or voodoo (who are now IGT owned) and decided to stick around making their crap rebuilds into epoch machines.

Sooner or later theyll either have to pick s5 or mpu5 as the epoch spare parts are going to become hard to get.

Unless of course they managed to wrangle a deal with crest and ended up with the rights to it, cos if they didnt theyll end up having to cough royalties to crest.

There are 2 main players in the industry.

one is IGT and the other is gaussleman group, and gaussleman group have stepped aside leaving IGT to completely dominate the industry.

If I was you, or anyone else for that matter, Id leech the machines on this site and hold onto them for dear life, because theyre a dying comodity