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#21 Mavroz

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Posted 01 December 2017 - 05:01 PM

Yes i agree but the thread locking isn't on.

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Posted 01 December 2017 - 05:10 PM

The eBay thread was actually getting somewhere by the looks of things and then the moment a moderators name was brought into question, the protection came down and it was locked - "thou shall not talk about this moderator".
 
The same group of moderators that are allowed to pursue a member and accuse him of being somebody else.


The ebay thread was locked because it was brought to my attention, whether correctly or not, that the ebay seller in question feels that he is being threatened and is considering involving the authorities.
It’s not within my remit to judge whether this is necessarily justified, but as a site we do have a duty to try to ensure that freedom of speech is balanced with the possibility or reality that someone is being harassed.

The Benjamoose thread was locked for more or less the same reason - I clearly stated the reasons when I locked it.

I imagine that some of the moderators might by quite angry that you’re bandying such generalised accusations around?

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Posted 01 December 2017 - 05:20 PM

The ebay thread was locked because it was brought to my attention, whether correctly or not, that the ebay seller in question feels that he is being threatened and is considering involving the authorities.
It’s not within my remit to judge whether this is necessarily justified, but as a site we do have a duty to try to ensure that freedom of speech is balanced with the possibility or reality that someone is being harassed.

The Benjamoose thread was locked for more or less the same reason - I clearly stated the reasons when I locked it.

I imagine that some of the moderators might by quite angry that you’re bandying such generalised accusations around?

 

+1 to you, rally the mods against me !  But don't worry, they're often pissed at if you look through FME history.  It'll just be another item to add to their list and chat about on facebook... :jimlad:

 

So question - why were the moderators allowed to participate and be part of the hunt against Benjamoose.  Can you please answer why this is ok on your ship ?

The eBay stuff is interesting, your reply is a well thought out defence - but this is very strange that this has happened as soon as one of your mods was brought into it ?

 

Assuming this is true what you have said - this is GREAT NEWS.

 

The chap is not being harrassed. He is selling work off people that he ripped it from - designers are simply trying to stop this.  Also - you now know excatly who this person is who is being threatened so you can take action against the account - have you done this if what you say is true ?

You would then be in a position to notifiy forum owners of who this person is - so as a group we could ban them and stop at least his happening for the time being.

 

I look forward to the post where you re-open the eBay thread and tell your users that you now know who downloaded them and the member is banned and you've shared the info with other forum owners so we too can do the same.

 

Looks like the mystery is over, Geddy is in the clear as to whatever it was that has been found and everything is ok and we can get back to whatever it is we do here. :cup:


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Posted 01 December 2017 - 05:25 PM

Haha ... the eBay seller in question is considering involving the authorities..

I say let him, isn't selling and profiting from copyright material also illegal..

Seems like the phrase live by the sword, die by the sword could be poignant here.

Ps... I guess he is declaring his income from his sales to HMRC for taxation purposes or even Benefits agencies if he us claiming...
...... So who is the eBay complainant?

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Posted 01 December 2017 - 05:38 PM

+1 to you, rally the mods against me !  But don't worry, they're often pissed at if you look through FME history.  It'll just be another item to add to their list and chat about on facebook... :jimlad:
 
So question - why were the moderators allowed to participate and be part of the hunt against Benjamoose.  Can you please answer why this is ok on your ship ?
The eBay stuff is interesting, your reply is a well thought out defence - but this is very strange that this has happened as soon as one of your mods was brought into it ?
 
Assuming this is true what you have said - this is GREAT NEWS.
 
The chap is not being harrassed. He is selling work off people that he ripped it from - designers are simply trying to stop this.  Also - you now know excatly who this person is who is being threatened so you can take action against the account - have you done this if what you say is true ?
You would then be in a position to notifiy forum owners of who this person is - so as a group we could ban them and stop at least his happening for the time being.
 
I look forward to the post where you re-open the eBay thread and tell your users that you now know who downloaded them and the member is banned and you've shared the info with other forum owners so we too can do the same.
 
Looks like the mystery is over, Geddy is in the clear as to whatever it was that has been found and everything is ok and we can get back to whatever it is we do here. :cup:


Nothing to do with rallying the mods, but I do feel that they should all be allowed to respond to your accusations in person, rather than being lumped together as all having been harassing someone via an alleged Facebook thread of which I have no knowledge?

Additionally, moderators are allowed to have their own thoughts and opinions. They are not robots and they are not directly accountable to me (although they are bound by an informal code of conduct).

I still don’t know if the ebay seller in question actually has an account here or not. You’re making a lot of assumptions without any evidence. I have been told by PM on here by a member who has been in contact with the eBay seller, that that is their perception of what is happening. I don’t particularly care if you believe me or not - it’s up to the member who PM’d me as to whether they want to back me up - I’m certainly not going to publish their PM.

IF you have any actual evidence that Geddy is somehow behind the sale of DVDs on eBay then either produce it, or drop it.

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Posted 01 December 2017 - 05:47 PM

IF you have any actual evidence that Geddy is somehow behind the sale of DVDs on eBay then either produce it, or drop it.

 

I have said nothing either way here ?

 

Sounds like you know more them me about what he's up to ?

 I said...

" Looks like the mystery is over, Geddy is in the clear as to whatever it was that has been found and everything is ok and we can get back to whatever it is we do here. "

 

...so don't tell me to drop something that I am not even rattling on about - this actually is saying that whatever happened in the thread that was locked earlier as people are not allowed to have their say here due to a PM of a friend of the DVD seller, this means that Geddy is in the clear.

 

Surely this is good news ???

 

I never linked Geddy to any DVD sales - what are you saying here ?


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Posted 01 December 2017 - 06:01 PM

I know what the accusations are, and I know that it’s you who is alleging a cover up or attempt to protect moderators.

I’m unaware of any evidence that Geddy is in any way implicated but I am aware that this is exactly what this general discussion effectively hinges around.

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Posted 01 December 2017 - 06:12 PM

I know what the accusations are, and I know that it’s you who is alleging a cover up or attempt to protect moderators.

I’m unaware of any evidence that Geddy is in any way implicated but I am aware that this is exactly what this general discussion effectively hinges around.

 

No.  There you go again...

 

What I am saying is simply this, I've changed colour here to help you....

 

Ben's thread is allowed to run and run and run where he is accsued of being something he is not.

 

Something is said about Geddy and you and your team ( you are all staff here ), bring the LOCK hammer down.

 

It's as simple as that.  This is why I am saying moderators here can say and do what they want, the moment the conversation goes sour then, sorry lads we can't talk about this.  You are their puppet and they pull your strings.

 

That being said...

 

...you have said that a somebody who knows the DVD seller has PM'd you, so you have at least a partial link to this.

I say that is good news, give details, open the thread as the monkey is clearly off Geddy's back here and I am accussed of linking Geddy to DVD sales ?

I think you need to take a deep breath.  You are reading too much between the lines.

 

If I thought Geddy was selling DVD's, I would say GEDDY IS A THEIF AND SELLING DVD'S, note that I am not saying that - it's you that brought the DVD issue and Geddy together - if that is what you think is happening then fine, I have no idea.

 

Geddy - I do not think you are selling DVD's hence the strikethrough I have given above.

 

Fact is, your moderators may not be robots that you mentioned above - but their actions - their values - represent the values of your forum. 

 

Your linkage to me claiming Geddy was selling DVD's is wrong.


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Posted 01 December 2017 - 06:22 PM

You putting words into my mouth is also wrong, but for the reasons mentioned before, I don’t have the energy to deal with this at the moment. I’ll allow you to have the last word as that’s clearly what you crave.

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Posted 01 December 2017 - 06:40 PM

You putting words into my mouth is also wrong, but for the reasons mentioned before, I don’t have the energy to deal with this at the moment. I’ll allow you to have the last word as that’s clearly what you crave.

 

So you admit your wrong about me accusing Geddy of selling DVD's ?  Good - thank you.

 

I am not putting words in your mouth - I don't see that happening anywhere - I am asking question back which perhaps you don't like, but my whole problem is surrounding this...

 

Ben's thread is allowed to run and run and run where he is accsued of being something he is not.

 

Something is said about Geddy and you and your team ( you are all staff here ), bring the LOCK hammer down.

 

...out of respect for the health problem you have mentioned and I really wish you a f*****g speedy recovery so we can carry this on ( just kidding about carrying on ), I am going to stop posting about this and I am going to drop off this thread right now as I have made my point.

I am not even going to reply to anything else that comes up surrounding this for anyone else that challenges as I've been dealing with the forum owner here who clearly wants this to end and he is the highest authority within the land on this site.

 

Get well soon aaamusements.


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Posted 01 December 2017 - 07:49 PM

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Posted 01 December 2017 - 08:10 PM

Sorry for the late arrival.  I've been rather busy this evening.

 

My personal slant on this and other issues.

 

1) I've known for a little while Alex is rather ill and needs surgery.  This IS THE MOST IMPORTANT aspect here.  He needs our TLC.

 

2) I said 'welcome back' in the Ben intro thread.  That is all I said, the reason being his account was made over three years ago and approx the same time another member well erm..... 'left.'

 

3) Yes I've been involved in chat about the possibility of Ben being someone else in other parts of the internet.  I'm sure I'm allowed my opinion to which is I'm suspicious.  The language style, the long WIPs, the fantastic back stories etc etc are all too familiar and if the are to me then they are to others.  'We' as a group can spot the similarities a mile away.  We are super cautious due to past damage done.  Can we be blamed for that?

 

4) DVD sale thread, completely pointless IMO.  You are never going to stop it.  Stickers, locking, reporting is pointless.  Again after all we are the one using copyrighted material to further our hobby, are we without blame.

 

5) I actually suggested the thread regarding the DVDs should be closed or whatever long before the 'trouty' reference as like I said above it's pointless and was only going to cause unrest which of course it did.  The decision to lock it as far as I'm concerned was made by the admin here and not influenced by 'troutygate.'

 

6) I've never had an FTP so i) don't update it weekly and ii) it can't be used to provide layouts for this scumbag.

 

7) Yes I altered the caption/title of layouts for uniformity purposes when I made the layout DATS.  Once the layout was loaded it reverted back to the original anyway.  This point was made numerous times but the people arguing with me over this at the time did not seem to grasp this.  I've kept my promise and not made layout DATs since, although I've been asked to by the wider emulation community on many occasions.

 

8) I'm not sure how me altering temporarily a line in a gam file PROVES I alter layout graphics and then provide them to a DVD re-seller.  I mean really...

 

9) The mod process here was done democratically and has worked well, apart from this week I've not really been called into action over mod issues, no real problems have occurred so why now our heads are being demanded on a platter is absurd.  Are the member's here turning into a bunch of Nicola Sturgeons?

 

10) IMO the mods here do a good job and are not protected.



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Posted 01 December 2017 - 08:46 PM

Firstly I am sorry Alex to hear of your serious health issues and wish you a speedy recovery after your visit to hospital.

No one wants to go back to the 'dark days' of FME and since the Mod vote everything has been a lot better.

However as this thread shows it does not take much for the makings of another 'mutual battle' and unrest amongst the FME community.

Yes, we all have different views and we have a democratic right to express them, but not at the cost of  possibly losing the site as a result of it, as Alex has a more important priority on his agenda at this moment !!!!!!

 

Oh, I agree, Vecs for Mod !!!!!!!

 

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Posted 01 December 2017 - 09:04 PM

nicola sturgeons i bloody hope not i hate that woman 

as for vecs for mod job, not a chance i was and am happy the way i roll!! 

boss maybe though lol nah to much hassle i'd have to work then rofl


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Posted 01 December 2017 - 09:41 PM

 

as for vecs for mod job, not a chance i was and am happy the way i roll!! 

 

 

Don't worry, you wouldn't have to do anything, anything goes here.


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Posted 01 December 2017 - 09:54 PM


7) Yes I altered the caption/title of layouts for uniformity purposes when I made the layout DATS.  Once the layout was loaded it reverted back to the original anyway.  This point was made numerous times but the people arguing with me over this at the time did not seem to grasp this.  I've kept my promise and not made layout DATs since, although I've been asked to by the wider emulation community on many occasions.

 

8) I'm not sure how me altering temporarily a line in a gam file PROVES I alter layout graphics and then provide them to a DVD re-seller.  I mean really...

 

 

Sorry nice try, but it doesn't come back as I explained countless times in that thread, so that invalidates point 8 also, and nowhere was it suggested you alter layout graphics.

 

This was originally pointed out to me via another person who first spotted it.

 

Why would a start a slanging match if the changes were temporary?

 

Sorry your statement is a downright lie and had to be corrected, so that people know the truth here.

 

I do agree with point 1 though


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Posted 01 December 2017 - 10:06 PM

I personally wouldn't lock a thread.

 

I would however delete or hide one if I felt a FME threat/issue.

 

Only ever done this twice. Only the other day, Ploggys ripped of layout, see ya! And about 6 months ago someone posted they could hack a current machine. Something that is pretty dangerous to be on a public forum, IMO.


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Posted 02 December 2017 - 10:16 AM

First of all Alex..... we may not get one that great, but I don't need to remind you that health comes first, and is good that you are taking care of that, so you will have no quarms from me for doing that, so all the best, and hope you can get it sorted.

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Posted 02 December 2017 - 10:42 AM

As for you so called inner circle monkeys.....

 

 

hehe I presume you mean the mod team..


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Posted 02 December 2017 - 10:49 AM

 
hehe I presume you mean the mod team..


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