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[Dave 3]

Hi all Ive had my machine about a fortnight (CLUB PREMIER MANAGER BELL FRUITS) It is set on 76% payout. I just wondered what average profit do they make.We basically use it as a money box already it has paid out £15 and £25 apart from the odd £2.Obviously they are not going to lose money but wondered if say for every £100 put in what it keeps in profit.Thanks Dave.

[kriss]

It's never based on £100.

[Zoltar]

Originally Posted by Dave 3

Hi all Ive had my machine about a fortnight (CLUB PREMIER MANAGER BELL FRUITS) It is set on 76% payout. I just wondered what average profit do they make.We basically use it as a money box already it has paid out £15 and £25 apart from the odd £2.Obviously they are not going to lose money but wondered if say for every £100 put in what it keeps in profit.Thanks Dave.

It's not a simple question to answer Dave. But lets try to give you some idea....

If a machine is say set to 78%, in theory, for every pound played, the machine will pay out 78p and keep 22p. But the machine wouldn't be very much fun if it played to that method.

The machine's percentage is an overall percentage and is approximated over thousands of spins. In most cases, the machine will take and take and take, appearing to play nowhere near that 78%. Then some lucky player puts in just a few pounds and wins quite a considearble amount.

It's fair to say that 22p in the pound is more or less taken by the machine but this is over many many thousands of plays. So by the time it's had a few thousand pounds played through it, it may well be not far off taking that 22p in the pound.

The nature of modern machines means that the 78p per pound that it should pay out, it will keep hold of this, paying smaller frequent wins but keeping some of this money back. After several thousand spins, it will have collected enough to pay a nice jackpot or two.

To be honest, even what I have written here is in no way gospel. Other factors can effect the payout. Bad programming could mean a machine doesn't give the player an opportunity to reach the jackpot easily. Or again with bad programming, a player may be able to manipulate the machine to pay out more for him when the machine isn't due or ready to pay out. Then the next person who goes on, could lose hundreds with not even a sniff at a decent prize, as the machine tries to recover it's percentage and it's cash.



Factory resets on machines can cause strange gameplay for a short time where a machine may give a great deal more money in prizes than what the player actually puts in. But as the machine is played, over thousands of spins, the game itself will settle down and become more predictable running reasonably close to it's 78% percentage.

[Dave 3]

Thanks very much in taking the time to explain it much appreciated now i understand.Regards Dave.

[bazpeeb]

Originally Posted by Zoltar

It's not a simple question to answer Dave. But lets try to give you some idea....

If a machine is say set to 78%, in theory, for every pound played, the machine will pay out 78p and keep 22p. But the machine wouldn't be very much fun if it played to that method.

The machine's percentage is an overall percentage and is approximated over thousands of spins. In most cases, the machine will take and take and take, appearing to play nowhere near that 78%. Then some lucky player puts in just a few pounds and wins quite a considearble amount.

It's fair to say that 22p in the pound is more or less taken by the machine but this is over many many thousands of plays. So by the time it's had a few thousand pounds played through it, it may well be not far off taking that 22p in the pound.

The nature of modern machines means that the 78p per pound that it should pay out, it will keep hold of this, paying smaller frequent wins but keeping some of this money back. After several thousand spins, it will have collected enough to pay a nice jackpot or two.

To be honest, even what I have written here is in no way gospel. Other factors can effect the payout. Bad programming could mean a machine doesn't give the player an opportunity to reach the jackpot easily. Or again with bad programming, a player may be able to manipulate the machine to pay out more for him when the machine isn't due or ready to pay out. Then the next person who goes on, could lose hundreds with not even a sniff at a decent prize, as the machine tries to recover it's percentage and it's cash.



Factory resets on machines can cause strange gameplay for a short time where a machine may give a great deal more money in prizes than what the player actually puts in. But as the machine is played, over thousands of spins, the game itself will settle down and become more predictable running reasonably close to it's 78% percentage.

couldn't have said it any better myself.

baz

[silkyuk9]

I would like to put a little input on this subject too, eben though i know nothing about machines.

I have a Legal Tender machine and its set to 72%

I use this for my own pleasure and would never know how one opperates if i did not own one. I can put in around £30 or £40 before it begins to start paying out decent wins, once i have won say £50 i just put that money back into the hopper and begin again, I will not win nothing except a few quid here and there until i go through the process of putting in aboy £30 or £40 again after this ammount my machine then starts to pay out good money, getting good boards and hitting the big money payouts.

I find if you put plenty of cash in my get plenty out, but how many people in arcades have say £40 to blow on one machine alone. This is the fun with machines, 40 people may put in a quid each then the 41st comes along with his quid and wins the lot.

[robinhood75]

I was told the % was worked out on the expected life span of the machine. Say 10/15 years. So say in 10 years it has £1,000,000 put through it, it should of paid out a minimum of £720,000 and given the owner a proffit of £280,000. Im only going on what the guy from astra said to me so don't quote me on it ok.

RH

[jaybee]

I also wonder how much does the cash box make.

Say a fruity is £3k brand spankers, and you see them on ebay 2 years later for less than £200.

Add the duty licenese and other costs, it would have to make £5k to break even?