The state of play with the modern AWP Fruit Machine

[Zoltar]

To be honest, the greatest machines by any manufacturer have been and gone. I really do long for a time that £5 or £10 for a good hours worth of 'Amusement' on a fruit machine do return. I could handle losing a fiver on a 10p play £4 jackpot machine, usually as I'd been given 30 minutes of entertainment. Of course, no one enjoys losing but if the money is ripped from your hand in just a few spins, you do tend to be more angry than say if the machine gave you win opportunities and you saw the win chances every now and then, even if you did lose those opportunities. What is most hardest to believe, is that todays AWP manufacturers are those same companies that gave us machines that were entertaining and enjoyable.

What I think has killed modern gaming is the fact that on average, a single 25p game/spin lasts for about 3 seconds. So a pound could potentially be spent in around 10 seconds. If a machine doesn't nudge, give you a feature entry or even a win, you could blow a fiver in less than a minute. So you could blow £25 in just 5 minutes. This is of course presuming you are playing quickly. Looking at it from that point of view, theres no other form of entertainment where I'd willingly shell out £25 for just 5 minutes entertainment, nevermind, shell out £25 for 5 minutes of frustration and anger. Of course, some people win, the majority lose. The worst thing in my opinion that ever happened to AWP's was the substantial rise in the jackpot prize value.

Point 1:-
Machines rounding up prizes means that in some cases, you have to win 3 gambles on the cash ladder to actually increase your win. You land say 3 mixed 7's for £1.20. If you collect, you recieve a rounded up £2 win. Yet if you gamble, you are risking your prize for no increase if you were to be successful on the gamble. So you risk your £1.20 (£2 rounded up) for £1.60 (still £2 rounded up). Then you risk again to gamble your £1.60 for £2. Thats 2 gamble risks for no increase in prize. Only on the £2 gamble do you actually play for a chance to increase your win as the £2.40 win on a successful gamble rounds up to £3.

Point 2:-
Playing a 10p play £5 Jackpot machine. How many times have any of you played a full £5 through one of these to have absolutely no sniff of a win or even a chance of entering the trail. Is that because we are rubbish at playing? Of course not. So many people say they prefer the £5 JP 10p stake machines. But why? The only way you can win on them is to find that machine in a good mood. But how many five pounds for no enjoyment and no wins have been played into that machine for you to get a sniff at a possible jackpot?

I'm not blasting modern machines. I'm just angered that they are built now to take money so ruthlessly with no emphasis on enjoyment at all. Back in the early 90's, you could put just £2 into a £4.80 jackpot machine and you knew that the jackpot was obtainable. It didn't always come but you knew there was a pretty good chance.

Modern machines are only surviving today because the average player has the ethics of early 90's playability and entertainment at the front of his mind. He still thinks the odd £2 can win a possible jackpot. People are starting to wisen up. The followers of what used to be a respected industry, those followers who played machines for fun. Not the types who play to walk off with a £100 streak from a £5 stake, these are the players the industry needs to please.

Passing trade, the non-player putting in his loose change into a machine. The parent playing a machine whilst his/her child enjoys a kiddie ride, the chap who's having a night around the town with his friends who puts a few pounds into a machine for a little amusement, or playing with his change from a round of beers, the gentleman who has time to kill and money to burn whilst his partner plays bingo in a seaside arcade.... All these people are past customers who contributed to the industry. Not mainline players but surely their money is as good as anyone elses. These people don't play. They don't enjoy. They know that the alledged 50/50 chance of winning they used to believe back in the 80's and early 90's, is now useless on todays 99% lose machines.

The only people left playing fruit machines now are those unfortunate souls who are trapped in an addiction, and those casual players who believe they are some sort of professional player, able to cheat the odds. Even now, I'm hearing of seasoned addicts now coming to terms with the fact that you cannot win on a machine. Even now, the numbers of players are getting smaller. People are wising up to the reality that madern machines are not any fun anymore. Surely it's time for a rethink.

This isn't a dig at cheating fruit machines so please don't confuse this post with FairPLAY. This is a genuine attempt to find out your playing experiences. The pro's and the con's of modern fruit machines. Your suggestions on how things could be improved. It would be nice to find out what the majority of people would like to see on a fruit machine. Remember, winning hundreds of pounds is not what this is about. I'm not moaning about losing money. I'm moaning about how it's done and how it could be better.

I'm also posting a poll to guage the releationships the populous have with fruit machines.


Compost

[funy]

i have to admit i have become gradually become addicted to machines over the past year or so, at the most i usually spend about £25 in a month playing which isnt too bad but most of the time i dont get anything back. What you said above is spot on new machine just arent fun.

Me and friends often go to the seaside on the old £5 jackpots, ive been in those places with £10 in my pocket and come out with £40-50 by getting jackpots on them and its a great laugh, did the same thing at heathrow airport as well. And our local social that im in the process of joining has a couple of club machines which are nice 5p play ones so a quid would get you 25 spins which will last you a good few mins, and even if you did just burn a 4 or 5 quid and least you had a fair few rolls and probably got into the feature a couple of times. Do the same thing in a £25 awp and you'll be going home early cos you cant affort that last pint.

In the year ive played ive won in total about, £140 over 4 major wins/jackpots (£50 on Jack and beanstreak, £25 Hellraiser, £65 on Doh and Arrow(which was funny took £30 week before last at about 10pm came same time this week took another £30 total in for the 2 wins was about £6) which in a way im pleased with but then ive spent more than that in a year when i havent won a thing.

There are at least those machines of the current pub veraity that will allow you to collect a feature/current cash when you are on a mystery.

[PJ]

Originally Posted by CompostCORNER

...todays AWP manufacturers are those same companies that gave us machines that were entertaining and enjoyable...

That was just to get us all hooked, like drug dealers giving free samples :evil:

Originally Posted by CompostCORNER

...theres no other form of entertainment where I'd willingly shell out £25 for just 5 minutes...

You obviously haven't been with Shelley down the bottom of my road yet, that ho's worth every penny - wahey... :twisted:

Originally Posted by CompostCORNER

...I'm hearing of seasoned addicts now coming to terms with the fact that you cannot win on a machine....

Yeh, here's another hopefully-soon-to-be-ex-addict - agree with you 110%! :x :x :x

[PJ]

Originally Posted by funy

...a couple of club machines which are nice 5p play ones so a quid would get you 25 spins...

Erm, wanna borrow my maths book for a while?... :stupid:

[mrg666]

i have 2 machines at home DR WHO 5p 5pound jpot and club casino crazy dual play 10&20p ago 200squid jpot.
i like playing down my local arcades, 3 in our town centre but i must admit alot of the machines i wouldn't touch because they are crap.
PS the worst machine i know is classic adders and ladders 15pound jpot 25p ago, you cant buy a jackpot. :evil:

[Bencrest]

QUOTE : [because I can't get quotes to work in this forum :(]

'Point 2:-
Playing a 10p play £5 Jackpot machine. How many times have any of you played a full £5 through one of these to have absolutely no sniff of a win or even a chance of entering the trail.'

The point is that at least when a £5 machine plays badly, it takes say 20 spins, therefore a £2 loss. Not [as I found out before], £10 worth in a 30p £15 machine. Considering that is 30ish spins, and my £5 machines have 20, I would rather not lose the extra £8.

Also, seeing as how I was at Lakeside Superbowl at Peterborough today, they have Barcrest Hot Stuff on £5JP, 10p.

Plays badly for about £1.50, then goves me a board. Unlike a Pub AWP [£25JP], it is REALISTIC to get the high features after say £3 in, which it was doing consistantly. I got a ? on a board after about £10 in, without the JP being offered [although the Super Streak was] and took £2.40+REP from Collect Prize. I even got a TrueSkill Repeat on the £2.40 which went for £12.00 :D

While I do agree that they appear to play badly, I think that many seasoned £5 Jacky Banditeers in here will agree with me. Set them to a reasonable %age and you will be larfing!

BarcrestBenito

[jay2]

[quote="CompostCORNER"]

Passing trade, the non-player putting in his loose change into a machine. The parent playing a machine whilst his/her child enjoys a kiddie ride, the chap who's having a night around the town with his friends who puts a few pounds into a machine for a little amusement, or playing with his change from a round of beers, the gentleman who has time to kill and money to burn whilst his partner plays bingo in a seaside arcade.... All these people are past customers who contributed to the industry. Not mainline players but surely their money is as good as anyone elses. These people don't play. They don't enjoy. They know that the alledged 50/50 chance of winning they used to believe back in the 80's and early 90's, is now useless on todays 99% lose machines.[quote="CompostCORNER"]

i would call all of these oppertunists(excuse my spelling).
they take a win and walk away.imho thats the way to play today.why the f@#k do you need to force a machine?.it costs a fortune and does'nt allways work.if a JP is gonna come IT WILL COME no matter what you do.
if you force a machine you will turn down alot of good wins or good features just to see if you can get to the top feature.how often does that happen.not much and if it did it could of easily given it to the person to put in 10p cus it says add 10p to play.

i am sorry to go on so long but to me the whole reason for playing fruities is to have fun and to make a profit and if it means collecting 3 quid after putting in in a quid the that will do for me

[eddienufc2k1]

it took me a couple of years actually to come to terms with it, that i was an addict....
it all started at 18 (21 now) used to bunk off college to go to the local gala bingo with my EMA (£30 educational maintenance allowence) and spend about £4 on the 10p £5jp for abit of amusement.. one day i put a quid in my fav at the time crazy fruits and got a £10 streak by gaining 2 crazys on view and double crazy on 3rd reel. i was buzzin doubled everything that rolled in!! then i glanced over with a smile on my face like "ha ha im mint" and seen a 80 odd year old women with over £40 in the bank on red hot roll and was like WOW im not as mint anymore ha ha!! so i took my winnings and put my whole £10 in the one next to hers and won about £7 i think it was, and from then on bye bye 10p. the bigger money was so much more appealing since i was only making £30 a week. but the weeks went on when i skinted myself for the rest of the week and go and blow everything in one go eventually getting myself in over £500 in my none existent overdraft! but my problem was i didnt care about nothing else as soon as i put a single pound in i HAD to come away with more than i put in! so i had to get a shitty job to pay it off.. but when christmas came and the money came with it. straight down to the bingo halls to play on 30p 25jp frooties. after i got myself sorted money wise i still played but for a few good 3 months i was found myself acutally winning i wasn't losing nearly almost coming away with £70-100 up from what i went in with. so on my day off i went there and one day i remember i was up £40 from golden keys and was going to leave thinking im up and i might aswell call it a day but i seen the new Rio grande 50p £500 jp 4 reels what was all lit up at the other side of the room and my jaw dropped i had to give it a shot.. just thinking to myself even if i spend £40 i still havent lost anything more than what i went in with and i won a little hear and there and when i eventually got on the top feature board (after about £60 ha ha)(by obtaining 3 rio grande symbols in a row) 4 random hits of the button and the cash lit up from £1 to £500. and guess what... £500 on my 1st shot i was nearly in tears i cashed it in a went around town just walking tall thinking to myself life is good by having over £2000 in the bank.the next day i remember foning in sick at work and going back there to play on the one next to it and didnt win a penny all day spending well over £100 at the time. i foned in sick the next 5 days and just played on rio grande trying to make up my losses. one day i started to look around and noticed the same ppl who were there day in and day out like myself. not a care in the world just them and there fav frooties and feeding it with £20 notes via the note acceptors. i started to go downhill for about 2months and blew the lot £2000+ in a stupid little fruit machine! 2 f*cking grand in a machine and im only 18! this all happened within about 8-9months from playing on 10p machines. its very hard to admit you have a problem as ive told 1 person b4 now. i realised when i heard other adicts saying they lose £20-40 in a week but i was losing over £100 a day. payday was friday and took it all out and went to bingo..my peers just thought i loved bingo ha ha..thinking back i had ups and downs mostly downs.if i was upset or feeling down the fruit machine would calm me down just getting away by meself and blowing £50 and not even flinching it made me feel nothing at all.. it was a way of punishing myself as i knew i did wrong like breaking up with my ex girlfriends because i wasnt treating them as well as i shud ov or whatever.so now my current girlfriend says to me its either me or a fruit machine! so i gotta stop. i even got my new girlfriend hooked for a while which really makes me mad when u think about it. we went there on our days off and she would just sit there getting bord so i wud give her handfulls of pound coins to go and amuse her for a while.. I wish i could turn back the clock and just never of started. i aint put a pound in a machine for about 3 weeks now and im coping thanx to fruit emu! and it amazing to see sum cash in my bank for a change. Ive just today paid for a holiday in malia for me n my girl in july and that wouldnt of been a thought if i still played on them now. just a big thanx to you all here at fruit emu if it wasnt for you i would ov probably been over 10 grand in debt or worse!
sorry it was so long it seem to take 2hours to type this and a 10 pack of lamberts aswell ha ha but it was worth it

[adydb]

Blimey can't say you haven't browsed the forums can we..........a Two and a half year old reply to a thread 8)

[eddienufc2k1]

forcing the likes of 10p are easy might not be fun at the time but after about £10 or forcing when the streaks come they normally are a great amusment!
because they just will do anything a play totally different to b4.
back in the day at nobles i did the monopoly emptier system (bought from a guy who i think is on here not sure of his name thou) and got £50 streak on the top feature board on a 10p machine!! god how i wish i taped it lol
i understand what u say but ppl like me used to do anythin it took to get a profit and it usually worked if u had deep enough pockets that it lol.